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OrangeTsar said:
“Look what you made me do” is the default saying of the wife beater, not a responsible government
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Sure that’s a valid analogy. This “wife beater” did everything in his power to just get his crazy ass wife to go the hell away. Then she came at him with a bat. Your move.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Sure that’s a valid analogy. This “wife beater” did everything in his power to just get his crazy ass wife to go the hell away. Then she came at him with a bat. Your move.
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She said, I’m going to take our son a sandwich and the husband hauled off and hit her
 
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OrangeTsar said:
She said, I’m going to take our son a sandwich and the husband hauled off and hit her
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Actually no. The husband said why don’t you take your son, your sandwiches, and everything else and just get the hell out. He’s not my son anyway. Then she came at him with a ball bat. Oh by the way she killed her son too. The only Union deaths were the result of a ceremonial 100 gun salute the Confederates granted at the request of the Union commander AFTER the fort had surrendered and they were withdrawing. Your move again.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Actually no. The husband said why don’t you take your son, your sandwiches, and everything else and just get the hell out. He’s not my son anyway. Then she came at him with a ball bat. Oh by the way she killed her son too. The only Union deaths were the result of a ceremonial 100 gun salute the Confederates granted at the request of the Union commander AFTER the fort had surrendered and they were withdrawing. Your move again.
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Ft Sumter was a US military base. Lincoln had every right under International Law and the laws of warfare to resupply and maintain the base. The Confederate blockade was an act of war and the Confederacy bears full responsibility for the outbreak of hostilities. If humanity endures another 1,000 years, the history books of all nations will continue to designate the Confederacy as the aggressors. If you wish to continue to play the historical equivalent of a flat earther, be my guest. But making common cause with John Wilkes Booth in calling Lincoln a tyrant will leave you rather isolated and alone
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Ft Sumter was a US military base. Lincoln had every right under International Law and the laws of warfare to resupply and maintain the base. The Confederate blockade was an act of war and the Confederacy bears full responsibility for the outbreak of hostilities. If humanity endures another 1,000 years, the history books of all nations will continue to designate the Confederacy as the aggressors. If you wish to continue to play the historical equivalent of a flat earther, be my guest. But making common cause with John Wilkes Booth in calling Lincoln a tyrant will leave you rather isolated and alone
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Well that’s Lincoln’s view. However Ft Sumter was an occupied military installation not within its country’s sovereign boundaries. And they were given every opportunity to peacefully leave and their safety was guaranteed. Lincoln WANTED to provoke war and he knew he would get it by doing exactly what he was told to provoke getting his troops fired upon. The ensuing war Lincoln wanted resulted in the deaths of 1M “Americans”. You can’t have it both ways on the deaths.

As far as being a flat earther I’d encourage you to go read some detailed actual history which is now readily available. No this isn’t Lost Cause stuff it just catalogs the actions Lincoln deliberately took to force war.

Lincoln did not want his legacy to be the President that resided over the dissolution of the Union and he was going to burn it all down or reunite it. That’s it. That’s what it all was about. And along the way he committed various tyrannical acts such as suspending the writ of habeas corpus, hand picking his electors for the electoral college vote, and directly forcing the outbreak of war the killed 1M of his countrymen. He is a text book definition of a tyrant.

The country was stronger reunited than broken apart. I’m not stating we should have stayed separate countries. But I find it absolutely laughable that we continue to rewrite the history of a tyrant that chose war instead of seeking peaceful resolution.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Well that’s Lincoln’s view. However Ft Sumter was an occupied military installation not within its country’s sovereign boundaries. And they were given every opportunity to peacefully leave and their safety was guaranteed. Lincoln WANTED to provoke war and he knew he would get it by doing exactly what he was told to provoke getting his troops fired upon. The ensuing war Lincoln wanted resulted in the deaths of 1M “Americans”. You can’t have it both ways on the deaths.

As far as being a flat earther I’d encourage you to go read some detailed actual history which is now readily available. No this isn’t Lost Cause stuff it just catalogs the actions Lincoln deliberately took to force war.

Lincoln did not want his legacy to be the President that resided over the dissolution of the Union and he was going to burn it all down or reunite it. That’s it. That’s what it all was about. And along the way he committed various tyrannical acts such as suspending the writ of habeas corpus, hand picking his electors for the electoral college vote, and directly forcing the outbreak of war the killed 1M of his countrymen. He is a text book definition of a tyrant.

The country was stronger reunited than broken apart. I’m not stating we should have stayed separate countries. But I find it absolutely laughable that we continue to rewrite the history of a tyrant that chose war instead of seeking peaceful resolution.
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Who is this? Why did you hack @NorthDallas40 VN account?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Well that’s Lincoln’s view. However Ft Sumter was an occupied military installation not within its country’s sovereign boundaries. And they were given every opportunity to peacefully leave and their safety was guaranteed. Lincoln WANTED to provoke war and he knew he would get it by doing exactly what he was told to provoke getting his troops fired upon. The ensuing war Lincoln wanted resulted in the deaths of 1M “Americans”. You can’t have it both ways on the deaths.

As far as being a flat earther I’d encourage you to go read some detailed actual history which is now readily available. No this isn’t Lost Cause stuff it just catalogs the actions Lincoln deliberately took to force war.

Lincoln did not want his legacy to be the President that resided over the dissolution of the Union and he was going to burn it all down or reunite it. That’s it. That’s what it all was about. And along the way he committed various tyrannical acts such as suspending the writ of habeas corpus, hand picking his electors for the electoral college vote, and directly forcing the outbreak of war the killed 1M of his countrymen. He is a text book definition of a tyrant.

The country was stronger reunited than broken apart. I’m not stating we should have stayed separate counties. But I find it absolutely laughable that we continue to rewrite the history of a tyrant that chose war instead of seeking peaceful resolution.
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What “peaceful solution” was possible short of capitulation to Southern secession? What “compromise” would the South have offered or accepted?
 
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OrangeTsar said:
What “peaceful solution” was possible short of capitulation to Southern secession? What “compromise” would the South have offered or accepted?
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At the time the Confederacy just wanted to be left alone and allowed to govern themselves. Lincoln had already caved to the South on slavery he already threw them under to bus as an attempt to prevent the South from leaving.

But who knows what would have resulted years down the road it’s likely reconciliation would have occurred. There was no such restraint or patience exercised and we killed 1M Americans
 
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luthervol said:
Rank these five from best to worst: FDR, Lincoln, Reagan, Clinton, Trump
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I guess I will play too but I will actually give my reasons why I think the way I do.


Trump- Yes, he presided over a huge increase in the debt. Yes, he hurt people's feelings with his mean tweets. Yes, you can argue he further divided the country. However, you can NOT argue his policies were extremely hurtful to the economy, got us into any more large-scale wars, or permanently remade society as we know it-either for good or for bad depending on your political ideology.

Clinton- NAFTA ended up doing enormous damage to our economy. Nafta is not the only thing that keeps him from being the best of the 5 imo. When he lied to the nation about his affair, he crossed a line that politicians had not crossed before, at least not the President. Of course presidents had lied to us in the past, but in the age of cable tv news and non-stop political coverage he demeaned the office. How someone so smart could possibly think the information would not get out is mind boggling. He threw away what little faith some had in the government. He did manage to learn a political lesson and work with republicans on major issues. That helps to keep him from dropping lower on my rankings.

Reagan- Reagan help restore American pride in a country that was reeling from the Carter years. He helped break the USSR. However, he made lots of mistakes which haunt us to this day. The budgets that he signed started us on this path of debt. No the President does not set the budget, but he can veto it if he desires. He foolishly believed the democrats of the day and agreed to amnesty without them first being required to close the border. He presided over the closure of mental health institutes that are the main reason we have so many mentally ill on the streets today. He amplified the war on drugs which has done nothing to stop drugs but instead militarized local police forces.

FDR- For all the credit his programs get by some for helping the country, they barely did anything to really help. The only thing that got us out of the depression was WWII. What those programs did do is erode the republic. This is the beginning of government being involved in every aspect of our lives. These government programs have grown and morphed exponentially into the federal programs we have today.
He manipulated the country into war when the vast majority of the country wanted to remain isolated and neutral. I could type a lot more but getting tired of typing.

Lincoln- See Hog's & Northdallas's posts on Lincoln.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
FDR was a dictatorial wanna be who stretched the Constitution to the breaking point and threatened the Supreme Court with packing to intimidate it into approving the blatantly unconstitutional New Deal this saddling is with the bastardized system we endure today. FDR along with Woodrow Wilson were the two most destructive Presidents in the history of the Republic. They were also confirmed racists.
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Lincoln wins hands down for destruction. And pretty racist too.
 
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I got to say, this place attracts some of the stupidest people in the world. It does not even seem possible for a human being to be as stupid as some of the unfortunate individuals who post here.
 
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Vol Main said:
I got to say, this place attracts some of the stupidest people in the world. It does not even seem possible for a human being to be as stupid as some of the unfortunate individuals who post here.
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By all means, please start replying to and debunking all the stupidity on here. We have all just been killing time waiting for someone of your superior intellect to arrive and educate us.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
The love of Lincoln comes from a guilty conscience of US citizens. He killed a million of his own citizens, suspended habeas corpus , and he actually did what they accused Trump of and effectively stuffed the ballot box of the electoral college. He was a textbook definition of dictator.
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If you actually study Lincoln you’ll see that he never intended to give up the Presidency and his goal was to expand and increase the power of the executive.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Ft Sumter was a US military base. Lincoln had every right under International Law and the laws of warfare to resupply and maintain the base. The Confederate blockade was an act of war and the Confederacy bears full responsibility for the outbreak of hostilities. If humanity endures another 1,000 years, the history books of all nations will continue to designate the Confederacy as the aggressors. If you wish to continue to play the historical equivalent of a flat earther, be my guest. But making common cause with John Wilkes Booth in calling Lincoln a tyrant will leave you rather isolated and alone
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Dud you are brainwashed. Lincoln ordered a peaceful withdrawal of all union troops from every other US base/fort within the states that seceded except for 1. And that was Ft Sumpter, he knew what he was doing and he did it to start a war.
 
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hog88 said:
Dud you are brainwashed. Lincoln ordered a peaceful withdrawal of all union troops from every other US base/fort within the states that seceded except for 1. And that was Ft Sumpter, he knew what he was doing and he did it to start a war.
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Well then maybe the Confederates shouldn’t have played right into his hands by firing the first shots.
You spend an awful lot of time and effort defending the people who actually lit the fuses and lobbed the first shells. So were the Confederates so weak willed as to be incapable of resisting the provocative actions which you attribute to Lincoln? The only two options that seem left to you that the Confederates were either criminals or else were duped. Neither alternative is very flattering.
 
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I was reading about the Election of 1880. The democrat nominee was former Union Civil War General Winfield Hancock. He won the entire South. And for over 80 years the democrats basically had control of the entire South. 15 years after the Civil War and the South is supporting a former Union General.
 
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Gandalf said:
Just because someone was "Chief Executive" of the equivalent of 3 or 4 McDonalds locations doesnt qualify them to run the US Federal gov (then again, at least they would understand labor rates and making a profit/payroll). He is a cabinet member who is failing spectacularly and was gone on paternity leave much of his first year while things burned down. Which is absolutely ridiculous btw since its not like his "wife" actually did anything to get that baby but sign the papers so they could very well take care of them while ol Pete goes to work. Then again, the more I see him talk, the more I think he needs to take MORE family time.
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Yep. Not sure the country missing anything when he is not at work.
 
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825VOL said:
I guess I will play too but I will actually give my reasons why I think the way I do.


Trump- Yes, he presided over a huge increase in the debt. Yes, he hurt people's feelings with his mean tweets. Yes, you can argue he further divided the country. However, you can NOT argue his policies were extremely hurtful to the economy, got us into any more large-scale wars, or permanently remade society as we know it-either for good or for bad depending on your political ideology.

Clinton- NAFTA ended up doing enormous damage to our economy. Nafta is not the only thing that keeps him from being the best of the 5 imo. When he lied to the nation about his affair, he crossed a line that politicians had not crossed before, at least not the President. Of course presidents had lied to us in the past, but in the age of cable tv news and non-stop political coverage he demeaned the office. How someone so smart could possibly think the information would not get out is mind boggling. He threw away what little faith some had in the government. He did manage to learn a political lesson and work with republicans on major issues. That helps to keep him from dropping lower on my rankings.

Reagan- Reagan help restore American pride in a country that was reeling from the Carter years. He helped break the USSR. However, he made lots of mistakes which haunt us to this day. The budgets that he signed started us on this path of debt. No the President does not set the budget, but he can veto it if he desires. He foolishly believed the democrats of the day and agreed to amnesty without them first being required to close the border. He presided over the closure of mental health institutes that are the main reason we have so many mentally ill on the streets today. He amplified the war on drugs which has done nothing to stop drugs but instead militarized local police forces.

FDR- For all the credit his programs get by some for helping the country, they barely did anything to really help. The only thing that got us out of the depression was WWII. What those programs did do is erode the republic. This is the beginning of government being involved in every aspect of our lives. These government programs have grown and morphed exponentially into the federal programs we have today.
He manipulated the country into war when the vast majority of the country wanted to remain isolated and neutral. I could type a lot more but getting tired of typing.

Lincoln- See Hog's & Northdallas's posts on Lincoln.
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The best thing about Trump is he exposed not only the totalitarian and communist left in this country but also the small group of totalitarian Bush Republicans.

As for Clinton he is last because of NAFTA. That did more to destroy this country than any other policy in history.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
Yep. Not sure the country missing anything when he is not at work.
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Which is why Hog's statement that someone needs to be some kind of executive to be president is probably one of the most ridiculous statements I've heard on here yet. It also sounds like something a democrat says when they claim someone needs "experience" to be president.
 
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