Its like Trumpsters have no idea of the basics of the Republic

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KB5252 said:
Ballgags have been proven just as effective as masks when worn properly, perhaps there should be a mandate for those.
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Pictures or you are a lying dog...

see what I did there... lying..... dog.....

Tip your waitress and try the beef
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Big difference is that I never thought Biden would be a great president. You still believe that trump was.
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Why does every leftist assume that just because someone is a conservative that they automatically liked Trump? The man was (and is) an egotistical, arrogant, and thoroughly dislikeable individual. But he was also 10x better than the alternative. I would not like to have the flu. But I would much rather have the flu than leukemia.
Trump did less harm than Hillary would have. That is the sum of the equation.
In his favor, he pretty well left the economy alone to prosper (the best thing a President can do) and he appointed three solid jurists to the Supreme Court who seem to actually care what the Constitution SAYS more than what big government leftists WISH it said. For those reasons alone, I am glad he held the office for four years
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Why does every leftist assume that just because someone is a conservative that they automatically liked Trump? The man was (and is) an egotistical, arrogant, and thoroughly dislikeable individual. But he was also 10x better than the alternative. I would not like to have the flu. But I would much rather have the flu than leukemia.
Trump did less harm than Hillary would have. That is the sum of the equation
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It really depends on if we had republican congress or not, which we probably would have had for all 4 years. D POTUS and R congress has been the best formula in my lifetime.
 
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FLVOL69 said:
You mean the net exporting of oil/gasoline or the border secured and under control or was it the booming economy and lack of military incursions that got you? I could go on but you know I'm right and I maintain there's not going to be another Democrat president for a long, long time and it starts with the beating that's coming your way in the midterms and we'll be happy to reciprocate with impeachment on day one.. This is the most dysfunctional, socialist regime on record and their poll numbers support my assertion. Enjoy the demise of your party it's a pure ****ing dumpster fire. Lmfao!
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You giving trump the credit for being a net exporter of oil? Blaming a democrat for starting all of the military campaigns?

Poll numbers support the fact that Joe Biden is a crappy president. They in no way support your assertion that Trump was a good one. You are just too blind to realize he sucked too.
 
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n_huffhines said:
It really depends on if we had republican congress or not, which we probably would have had for all 4 years. D POTUS and R congress has been the best formula in my lifetime.
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I would take 7 of the 8 President Clinton years all day long.

I do find it Ironic that the same Republicans that thought President Clinton's antics were an embarrassment to the office defended President Trump at every turn.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
I would take 7 of the 8 President Clinton years all day long.

I do find it Ironic that the same Republicans that thought President Clinton's antics were an embarrassment to the office defended President Trump at every turn.
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Clinton had a strong cigar game.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
Either you think that we are all idiots or you aren't as smart as I give you credit for.
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Very few things are black and white, there are always gray areas. There is nuance to almost everything. That being said, the numbers I referenced are certainly compelling, if not definitive.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Not HISTORICALLY. At least through the Clinton years, the Democrats had a strong and healthy center. Heck, I even VOTED for Bill twice. But the last decade or so, the left wing of the party controls the funding, agenda, and think tanks. And they brook no dissent.
And yes, I feel the average Republican/Conservative is a moderate (almost by definition) as the whole conservative world view is to adhere to the status quo and traditional values and only make changes carefully and with wide consensus. Republicans as a whole do not want to “fundamentally transform” and as such are clearly “moderate”
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Fascinating.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Immigration, foreign policy, trade, health care, environment, tax revenue channels, and SCOTUS nominees come to mind.
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Clinton was not open border, he'd be closer to republican today,

Same with foreign policy.

Environment would be 50/50

Health Care would be closer to republican than full on government paid dems advocate for.

Democrats of his era more closely resemble todays republicans than today's democrats by and large.
 
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KB5252 said:
Clinton was not open border, he'd be closer to republican today,

Same with foreign policy.

Environment would be 50/50

Health Care would be closer to republican than full on government paid dems advocate for.

Democrats of his era more closely resemble todays republicans than today's democrats by and large.
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Clinton (Bill) was the last dimocrat my parents have voted for. Both like myself are registered dems have voted Republican ever since.
 
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KB5252 said:
Clinton was not open border, he'd be closer to republican today,

Same with foreign policy.

Environment would be 50/50

Health Care would be closer to republican than full on government paid dems advocate for.

Democrats of his era more closely resemble todays republicans than today's democrats by and large.
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Obama was closest to the Republican health care plan as advocated by the Heritage Foundation and Mitt Romney in Massachusetts.
 
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KB5252 said:
Clinton was not open border, he'd be closer to republican today,

Same with foreign policy.

Environment would be 50/50

Health Care would be closer to republican than full on government paid dems advocate for.

Democrats of his era more closely resemble todays republicans than today's democrats by and large.
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Foreign policy - Bill ran the same playbook as Obama. Bomb 'em from far away.

Environment - You think Bill would be a science denier?

Healthcare - One of Bill's biggest failures was not getting his healthcare plan through which if you go back and read sounds a lot like Obamacare.
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
Clinton (Bill) was the last dimocrat my parents have voted for. Both like myself are registered dems have voted Republican ever since.
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There has never been any doubt that the party progresses faster than some of its members.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Foreign policy - Bill ran the same playbook as Obama. Bomb 'em from far away.

Environment - You think Bill would be a science denier?

Healthcare - One of Bill's biggest failures was not getting his healthcare plan through which if you go back and read sounds a lot like Obamacare.
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Everyone forgets how radical Billary was until he lost both houses. It was after that he decided being POTUS was more important to him than his agenda.
 
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hog88 said:
He wasn't a bad president either and the vast majority of the exploding spending began with Covid. Trumps biggest contribution to the economy was that people were not afraid of "what stupid ****" is he going to do next. He didn't have a jobs/industry killing agenda like the current POTUS or his predecessor had.
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He was still spending more than obama pre 2020. He already had the deficit at a trillion dollars in 2019. Let's not act like he was fiscally responsible at all. Even when the Rs controlled congress his first two years spending went up. He was the classic politician, preach the evils of "their" spending while quietly increasing his own.

https://datalab.usaspending.gov/americas-finance-guide/deficit/trends/
 
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n_huffhines said:
Clinton. Unless you're saying Clinton's not really a D. I'll take Clinton over Trump any day. Hell, I might take Obama over Trump. At least Obama scaled back spending when we were coming out of the recession his 2nd term. Obamacare is the one thing that keeps this from being an easy choice.
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i always like to remind people Obamacare was also a secret piece of legislation when voted in, with absolutely no outside eyes on it. That goes into how bad I consider it, and him.
 
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LouderVol said:
He was still spending more than obama pre 2020. He already had the deficit at a trillion dollars in 2019. Let's not act like he was fiscally responsible at all. Even when the Rs controlled congress his first two years spending went up. He was the classic politician, preach the evils of "their" spending while quietly increasing his own.

https://datalab.usaspending.gov/americas-finance-guide/deficit/trends/
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And in a latter post I said he deserved criticism for his spending. Quit trying to be Septic Jr.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Why does every leftist assume that just because someone is a conservative that they automatically liked Trump?
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Because he won the 2016 Republican primary, was essentially unopposed in the 2020 primary, and nearly every Republican elected official who said anything negative about him without subsequently walking it back got shown the door or is in the process of being shown the door, regardless of their voting record.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Because he won the 2016 Republican primary, was essentially unopposed in the 2020 primary, and nearly every Republican elected official who said anything negative about him without subsequently walking it back got shown the door or is in the process of being shown the door, regardless of their voting record.
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Republican isn’t the same as conservative. Real conservatives distanced themselves from Trump numerous times. Very few elected republicans are actual conservatives, most are right leaning populists looking out only for their next re-election.
 
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