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volfan102455 said:
That is not what was said.
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Basically is. They said if UNLV and Army lose (I think it was those 2 brought up) and Louisville and Duke slipped into the the top 25 in next week's rankings it wouldn't boost Miami's resume because they're already done evaluating SOS.
 
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Other_Guy said:
Basically is. They said if UNLV and Army lose (I think it was those 2 brought up) and Louisville and Duke slipped into the the top 25 in next week's rankings it wouldn't boost Miami's resume because they're already done evaluating SOS.
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The question was about teams like Miami, Ole Miss, etc. outside of the top 12 and whether they could push Bama out.

He also said the performance of the teams that were playing would be evaluated and adjustments within the current top 12 would be made. Those teams playing will move and that movement could move teams not-playing who are in the top 12, out, up or down.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
This makes no sense about no data point.

We lost at Georgia. If they beat Texas, it would make that loss "better"...
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He’s an effing idiot. Manuel that is. That clown shouldn’t be anywhere near a decision that affects Tennessee.
 
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EaglesVols91 said:
We deserve a home playoff game. Both our losses have been on the road at night. Ohio State JUST lost to a horrible Michigan team at home and played at noon
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Lose to Arkansas is worse than loss to Michigan. Loss to Oregon on the road, by 1 point is better than our loss to Georgia. That’s what they based their opinion on.
 
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I do love how the committee chair makes a statement about how teams who are done playing are locked into their position, and you come here and see the 1000 different ways everyone interpreted that simple statement to mean. What he said is basically OSU and all idle teams ahead of us are locked in front of us and Indiana and everyone idle behind us is locked behind us. SMU wins they could jump us in the rankings (wouldn't matter seed wise) or Penn state losses they could drop.
 
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bpalmer28 said:
Road loss to Arkansas is definitely NOT worse than a home loss to Michigan.
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Michigan is relevant in college football. Arkansas hasn't been anything in college football in decades. Michigan recruits at a very high level while Arkansas gets what's left after TX, LSU, and aTm take the good stuff from the area.

The Arkansas loss is why we're where we are vs Ohio State and I absolutely hate Ohio State.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Michigan is relevant in college football. Arkansas hasn't been anything in college football in decades. Michigan recruits at a very high level while Arkansas gets what's left after TX, LSU, and aTm take the good stuff from the area.

The Arkansas loss is why we're where we are vs Ohio State and I absolutely hate Ohio State.
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The only thing that matters when comparing the quality of opponents is how good the opponents were when they played them. Recent relevancy is irrelevant. If you’re judging opponents based on how good they’ve been recently then our loss to UGA is a much, much better loss than OSU’s loss to Oregon
 
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GetEmVols said:
No it will be Vols vs Penn State if Oregon beats Penn State. Penn state will fall behind Ohio state if they lose. If Georgia loses then we probably host Georgia. We shall see soon!
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I don't think they will put us against Georgia. They don't want a rematch. I am convinced we are either playing Ohio State or Penn State.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Michigan is relevant in college football. Arkansas hasn't been anything in college football in decades. Michigan recruits at a very high level while Arkansas gets what's left after TX, LSU, and aTm take the good stuff from the area.

The Arkansas loss is why we're where we are vs Ohio State and I absolutely hate Ohio State.
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I think it is more about $$$. Ohio State has one of the largest fanbases/following in CFB. Tennessee does as well but for some reason, we are never treated as a part of the "in" crowd.

The "in crowd" was always the following:

Michigan
Ohio State
Notre Dame
Oklahoma
Southern California

You can see this when it comes to ranking favoritism and Heisman winners

Alabama has recently joined it (IMO Alabama and the entire SEC used to be hated but that changed about 2009 or so).

For some reason, National Media still craps on Tennessee which is silly since Tennessee has one the largest fanbases in the sport and is a gold mine. Woodson over Manning or Paul Hornung over Johnny Majors (which was worse than Manning) shows were Tennessee sits in the CFB Mainstream media.

Texas teams ironically don't get as much love even though both of them are the richest programs.

You want to fix it? Run for United States President and threaten to tax the crap out of ESPN, Heisman Committee, CFB Playoff Committee, etc. unless they start respecting Tennessee or become a dominant shareholder of Disney/ABC. Become "somebody" that matters.

If I ever become a "somebody", I am going to offer to come on GameDay and then blast them for this crap to their face in front the nation.
 
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bpalmer28 said:
The only thing that matters when comparing the quality of opponents is how good the opponents were when they played them. Recent relevancy is irrelevant. If you’re judging opponents based on how good they’ve been recently then our loss to UGA is a much, much better loss than OSU’s loss to Oregon
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Arkansas has been nobody in college football forever. They don't recruit near our level.

That loss is every bit as bad as Bama and Vandy.

Oregon beat tOSU in 2021 and has been beating B1G teams pretty regularly for the last 5 years.

When is the last time Arkansas mattered in the SEC?
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Arkansas has been nobody in college football forever. They don't recruit near our level.

That loss is every bit as bad as Bama and Vandy.

Oregon beat tOSU in 2021 and has been beating B1G teams pretty regularly for the last 5 years.

When is the last time Arkansas mattered in the SEC?
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None of what you just said is relevant. Read my previous post if interested in my thoughts on the matter. This discussion is going nowhere
 
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volbound1700 said:
I think it is more about $$$. Ohio State has one of the largest fanbases/following in CFB. Tennessee does as well but for some reason, we are never treated as a part of the "in" crowd.

The "in crowd" was always the following:

Michigan
Ohio State
Notre Dame
Oklahoma
Southern California

You can see this when it comes to ranking favoritism and Heisman winners

Alabama has recently joined it (IMO Alabama and the entire SEC used to be hated but that changed about 2009 or so).

For some reason, National Media still craps on Tennessee which is silly since Tennessee has one the largest fanbases in the sport and is a gold mine. Woodson over Manning or Paul Hornung over Johnny Majors (which was worse than Manning) shows were Tennessee sits in the CFB Mainstream media.

Texas teams ironically don't get as much love even though both of them are the richest programs.

You want to fix it? Run for United States President and threaten to tax the crap out of ESPN, Heisman Committee, CFB Playoff Committee, etc. unless they start respecting Tennessee or become a dominant shareholder of Disney/ABC. Become "somebody" that matters.

If I ever become a "somebody", I am going to offer to come on GameDay and then blast them for this crap to their face in front the nation.
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Well said. TX has been rich but they also have been poorly coached for a long time. Now that they can buy players in the open and decided to hire a decent coach, they will be hard to deal with.

If Michigan and Ohio State and Oregon get into an NIL war, as Michigan says they're going to use $50M in NIL a year, Ohio State has $20M this year, and Oregon and Nike likely won't be outspent by much...... it will spike an NIL war in the SEC also.

The Texas teams have access to a lot of oil money. A lot. A whole lot. It could get ugly if they flex like the B1G is about to flex.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Well said. TX has been rich but they also have been poorly coached for a long time. Now that they can buy players in the open and decided to hire a decent coach, they will be hard to deal with.

If Michigan and Ohio State and Oregon get into an NIL war, as Michigan says they're going to use $50M in NIL a year, Ohio State has $20M this year, and Oregon and Nike likely won't be outspent by much...... it will spike an NIL war in the SEC also.

The Texas teams have access to a lot of oil money. A lot. A whole lot. It could get ugly if they flex like the B1G is about to flex.
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Well B1G is kind of a better model for this setup because they have some very good teams and then trash.

If SEC was comparable, you wouldn't see Vandy beating Alabama, Arkansas beating us, etc. Those teams would be trash like the B1G has with its bottom tiers.

This is why B1G teams are going 11-1 or 10-2 while SEC squads are 9-3.

Teams like Arkansas, Vandy, Miss State, etc. should know their role and lose lol.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Well B1G is kind of a better model for this setup because they have some very good teams and then trash.

If SEC was comparable, you wouldn't see Vandy beating Alabama, Arkansas beating us, etc. Those teams would be trash like the B1G has with its bottom tiers.

This is why B1G teams are going 11-1 or 10-2 while SEC squads are 9-3.

Teams like Arkansas, Vandy, Miss State, etc. should know their role and lose lol.
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Eh, WI or MN or IU sneaks up on one or more of the big guys now and then to have a great year. Overall, they are trash because they don't spend, even didn't spend illegally since the NE steroid years, on their programs like MI and tOSU.

With the west coast teams coming in and Nike deciding they'd like to buy a championship or two, the separation will be more stark between the have and have nots...... really the spend and spend nots.

TX coming in the SEC creates that spending war. aTm tried to buy their way to greatness but they forgot about getting a coach too. To keep up with the amount of money so that the SEC doesn't turn into the B1G is going to be hard. TX is willing to outspend all of us for a good roster and Sark is a competent coach. I don't like it.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Eh, WI or MN or IU sneaks up on one or more of the big guys now and then to have a great year. Overall, they are trash because they don't spend, even didn't spend illegally since the NE steroid years, on their programs like MI and tOSU.

With the west coast teams coming in and Nike deciding they'd like to buy a championship or two, the separation will be more stark between the have and have nots...... really the spend and spend nots.

TX coming in the SEC creates that spending war. aTm tried to buy their way to greatness but they forgot about getting a coach too. To keep up with the amount of money so that the SEC doesn't turn into the B1G is going to be hard. TX is willing to outspend all of us for a good roster and Sark is a competent coach. I don't like it.
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A&M was in a weird spot. They basically did what USC Trojans have done and buy a coach and players thinking it can get them to success but Jimbo Fisher was a flop and so was his recruiting classes.

Lincoln Riley is turning into a flop as well. Sometimes these "proven" coaches aren't what you expect. Fisher crashed and burned the last year at FSU and A&M just didn't catch onto it.
 
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The relative positions of teams that aren’t playing won’t change is what he meant…so ohst will remain ahead of vols, Bama ahead of Miami, etc
 
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76volman said:
Since the head of the CFP committee said there would be no change in standings where teams are already done , going forward it will be UT at OSU in the first round.
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Not what he said at all. He said the order (not the ranking/seeding) of the teams outside of the championship games will not change. Meaning, we are not going to jump ahead of OSU, but we could definitely move ahead of PSU or UGA.
If Penn St. loses we most likely will not be playing OSU. They will most likely fall below OSU. The question is will they fall below us. So will we be playing them home or away.
 
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volbound1700 said:
A&M was in a weird spot. They basically did what USC Trojans have done and buy a coach and players thinking it can get them to success but Jimbo Fisher was a flop and so was his recruiting classes.

Lincoln Riley is turning into a flop as well. Sometimes these "proven" coaches aren't what you expect. Fisher crashed and burned the last year at FSU and A&M just didn't catch onto it.
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I think aTm got tired of being second tier in the SEC so they tried the "let's just buy it" approach and they lacked and still lack the AD to do it right.

TX, on the other hand, seems to have pulled up their cowboy boots after under performing in the Big 12 and come into SEC with guns and money blazing. They have their coach and they are willing to spend whatever it takes to win.

Riley has learned that CA is no longer a football state at all. The good players are getting paid to leave and there's just not enough interest out there for him to compete. It couldn't happen to a nicer guy except perhaps Lane Kiffin..... oh wait.... it did.
 
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Okay so here's what the man actually said, in green:

Any team that is not playing right now (i.e., this weekend in a championship game), we don't have a data point to rearrange where we have those teams ranked.

And so, that is set in terms of how we see them going into the final week, of championship week.

There's no, there's nothing that's going to change for us to evaluate them any differently than we have now.

Those teams who are not playing [this weekend] can not be adjusted in terms of where they are compared to other teams that are not playing.

But the championship teams we will evaluate that data point to determine if there needs to be any movement based on how the performance of game goes.

I bolded a few key parts.

What that means is, there are now two elements to the rankings and slatings. The framework of teams that are locked compared to each other, and the fluid teams who can still rise and fall because they're playing this weekend.

The framework teams are like this:

Notre Dame
Ohio State
Tennessee
Indiana
Alabama
Miami

The position of all those teams can shift up or down the final rankings, but they will never leapfrog each other. Theyr'e fixed, relative to each other.

The fluid part involves these teams:

Oregon
Texas
Penn State
Georgia
SMU
Boise State
Arizona St
Iowa St
Clemson
UNLV

One example of what this means: Oregon, Texas, and Penn State are all currently above the top of the framework of non-playing teams. All ranked above Notre Dame, in other words. But at least one and maybe two of those teams will lose. The losers can drop below Notre Dame and perhaps other "fixed" teams and fit in somewhere in the middle of the framework. Depends on how they do.

So Tennessee can never get above Ohio State. Nor can we ever get behind Indiana. But we can get ahead of, say, Georgia. Or Penn State. Or even Texas and Oregon, though those outcomes are hugely unlikely.

In short, we are not yet locked into playing any specific team. Nor are we locked into an away game in the first round. We'll just have to wait to see how things go Saturday for the teams above us.

We definitely want Texas and Oregon to win in a big way in hopes Penn St and/or UGa fall under us, and we want SMU and Boise St to either lose or win a close game so there's no chance of them popping up above us.

Those are the moving pieces.

Go Vols!
 
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