Jalen Hurd Retires

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Jalen Hurd should have set records at Tennessee,under the staff we have now he would have. Butch Jones really messed up this man's career
 
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Jackcrevol said:
dude crushed it behind a line with no push in the worst v offense in history. that said, he quit
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Yes, and that took a toll on his body. When he brought those concerns to his coach, the coach lead him to believe those concerns would be addressed. It's not like him leaving came out of left field. He was concerned for his physical health, and offered some remedies. Coach said no.
 
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GoVols1961 said:
Yes, and that took a toll on his body. When he brought those concerns to his coach, the coach lead him to believe those concerns would be addressed. It's not like him leaving came out of left field. He was concerned for his physical health, and offered some remedies. Coach said no.
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Butch is an *******.
 
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Hurd may have friends at Baylor who can give him assistance. His wide receiver tight end experiment was ill fated from Day 1.
 
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DaddyChad said:
I’m sorry that’s just not accurate. A lot of these guys were running out of a completely different system than Hurd. Hurd’s yards after contact was pretty good early on; at times he was getting hit behind the LOS too. Bama also wanted him as a RB badly coming out of high school; he likely would’ve been great running in that system. I’m just saying we’re not comparing apples to apples here.
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As I recall, Butch’s system was to run Hurd into the A-gap every damn first down for a one yard loss. If Hurd could ever get onto a LB or DB, he was very effective, but when the defense knew exactly what was coming, and could load up, there was nothing to do even as strong as Hurd was.
 
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knox73 said:
Hurd may have friends at Baylor who can give him assistance. His wide receiver tight end experiment was ill fated from Day 1.
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He had almost 1k receiving yards at Baylor. SF was raving about him—when healthy. I think he would of fit in good in the NFL had he not gotten hurt. He was a handful for any perimeter defender.
 
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VAVol85 said:
As I recall, Butch’s system was to run Hurd into the A-gap every damn first down for a one yard loss. If Hurd could ever get onto a LB or DB, he was very effective, but when the defense knew exactly what was coming, and could load up, there was nothing to do even as strong as Hurd was.
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Was Butch the coach when we ran the read option to the left every play… and the QB never kept it, once? Who was that QB?
 
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sjt18 said:
Ugh! If Jones weren't a special level of liar and poor leader then Hurd would have never been in that situation to start with. That's what you guys seem to be missing.... how truly awful you have to be to get a kid that frustrated by lies and manipulation.

No. Hurd shouldn't have just walked away. But considering how much love for the Orange he brought when he came in... turning his back on virtually everyone else... how bad did it have to get for him to do that?

I'm really not sure why you guys are so invested in defending Jones.
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These guys only defend Butch when it comes to Hurd.
If it was a jobsite, Hurd would have walked and everyone would understand. Double Standard.
He didn't take anyone with him. He didn't poison the team. Butch did.
I have been told by two different players everyone knew Butch promised Hurd a move since the AppSt game, to keep him from transferring. Everything Butch told him was false. When it became obvious Butch was never moving him, He walked, and half the fanbase can't get over it.
I would have left as well, when the reason I stayed (promise of a move and loyalty to teammates, which many here deny) obviously became a lie.
 
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Did Jalen quit, yes. He quit on his team and that sucks. Did his coach lie to him, yes. For some reason that part isn’t as bad. For some reason the players seems to be held to a higher standard than the coach. How many of you would be fine with your boss lying to you about getting a raise or promotion? Would you keep on working for that boss, doing what he said, after he lied? You had better. You keep on doing what your boss tells you to do. Don’t worry about your future. If not, you’re not a team player.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Who is defending Jones? Hurd quit in the middle of a game.
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You mean the concussion?
Weird that so many of you don't even acknowledge he got a concussion, not on the lost TD, but at the beginning of the 3rd Qtr.
He was in concussion protocol for the end of the Dobb Nail boot game and the TAMU game too.
The BS about lower body injury was pure 100% Butch $h!+.

Jalen Hurd Opens Up on Truth About Why He Left Vols
This article is partially an interview, but the end is a narrative based on a interviews with Kamara and rebuttal by two Vol Assistants (probably grad assistants).

""Hurd was taken out of the Georgia game in the second half and sat out of the Texas A&M game with an undisclosed injury at the time. It turned out later that he was held out because of a concussion. He started the South Carolina game but pulled himself out of that game. He then announced his transfer shortly after the conclusion of that game, a game that Tennessee lost and ultimately cost them a chance of winning the SEC East.

Tennessee would rely on Kamara after Hurd departed, and Kamara also spoke with Hayes about the situation.

“Personally between me and him, I felt there was some animosity when I got there,” Kamara stated. “I was fresh out of Alabama, fresh out of [Hutchinson Community College]. I had a whole different outlook, like where I go, I’m gonna be successful, period—no matter what the circumstance is.”
Kamara wasn’t used much to start the 2016 season, but he had a breakout game against Texas A&M in Hurd’s absence and set a school record for most all-purpose yards in a game. Kamara, who just won the NFL Rookie of the Year award with the New Orleans Saints last season, said he sensed that Hurd felt his role on the team was “becoming smaller and smaller” as Kamara gained attention.

A Tennessee assistant took umbrage with that remark, however.

“I love Alvin to death. He’s a great player. He deserves everything he gets,” a Vol assistant told Bleacher Report. “Alvin likes to talk; that feeling of disrespect fuels him. To say Jalen was anything but a team guy busting his ass just isn’t truthful.”

Another Vol assistant backed up that claim about Hurd, saying that the former five-star running back was nothing but a competitor and a great teammate while at Tennessee. The assistant also believes that Hurd was used as a scapegoat for the negativity around the football program at the time.

“There’s a sign in the locker room that we all touched before heading to the field that says, ‘I will give my all for Tennessee,'” a former Tennessee assistant said to Bleacher Report. “If any guy gave his all for that program, it was [Hurd]. He played hurt. He played hard. He did everything he was asked. We started 5-0, then lost three straight, and everyone wanted a fall guy. Guess who that guy was?” "

And ya'll are nonchalant about repeating Butch's lies only when they apply to Jalen Hurd.
 
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EasternVol said:
With Worley at QB?
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May have been. Seems with Butch and before Dobbs, everyone in the stadium knew what play was being run and where. I specifically remember that play over and over. But, can’t remember for sure if it was during Butch’s tenure.
 
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#1fulmerite said:
May have been. Seems with Butch and before Dobbs, everyone in the stadium knew what play was being run and where. I specifically remember that play over and over. But, can’t remember for sure if it was during Butch’s tenure.
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I think it was with Butch but my memory of his tenure is fortunately hazy.
 
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DaddyChad said:
You’re not wrong but Butch really Fed the situation up as well. If he wasn’t coach Hurd likely stays, sets a lot of records and gets drafted as a Vol. Not excusing Hurd it was idiotic to leave like he did but the kid reached a mental breaking point.
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Yes and No..That kid was a freak! Jones played head games with those kids...Look at his resume ... You have to be able to head game when you have had those jobs and your name Is Butch Jones...The kid made bad choices and learned from them Im sure..Jones was a grown ass man.
 
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TennesseeTarheel said:
Best of luck to him. He created some big excitement for a while. If there was a watershed moment, I would guess when he lost the ball while "showboating" in the end zone. Was it Georgia?
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Didn’t even make it to the end zone. If you’re going to show off, you at least have to score first. He didn’t understand that or being a good teammate.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Hypothetical but let’s say Heupel got Hurd. Do you all think he would try him at WR or TE?
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Good question.

I would hope he'd tell a player where he fits or doesn't fit, then allow the player to choose which position group he'd like to compete with, but refuse to adjust scheme to appease a player.

I'm still cynical about the I-form promises. I know Hurd looked good out of the I-form in the 2015 Bowl game against Northwestern, and we ran a few sets out of it in the 2016 opener against App St. I don't know that the I-form would have been in the best interest of the team all season though.

I think I see more gray in this than some on here. I think Hurd and Butch both could have handled it better.

I'll admit I was sour on Hurd for a bit, because I hated to see him go. He was one of my favorite players during his time here. By the time Hurd got drafted to the NFL I wished him nothing but the best. Now Butch.....? I look forward to hearing about Ark St. letting him go.

One thing I'm fairly certain of is that Heupel would have resolved the issue, one way or the other, before 2016 started.
 
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