Jalen Hurd Retires

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utchs81 said:
My take was the terrible coaching he received was from Butch and his regime. Surely you can't argue against that.
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Butch told him to quit?

Sorry but his teammates were also part of Butch’s bad coaching, yet you didn’t see them quit during the season.

What Hurd did was selfish, whether you guys will admit it or not.
 
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OrangeVolMan said:
He botched his own career. I wish him the best in his future endeavors.
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Unfortunately when he signed with Jones he did just that.

Amazingly, Vol fans hate on him because he was a high profile victim of Jones' absolute incompetence as a leader. I would have LOVED to have seen Hurd playing for Heupel.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Butch told him to quit?

Sorry but his teammates were also part of Butch’s bad coaching, yet you didn’t see them quit during the season.

What Hurd did was selfish, whether you guys will admit it or not.
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I dont think I am even arguing the selfish part. Even Hurd admits he would do it differently.

“Looking back at it, yeah, I should’ve waited it out,” Hurd explained. “I should have finished the season even if I wouldn’t have played (at Tennessee) again. I don’t think I’d be looked at in the same negative light I am now. But I didn’t see that at the time."

I bet Butch would still blame it all on Hurd
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Butch told him to quit?
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OK. So let's say that whatever it is that you do... you are one of the best in the country at doing it. You know that. Your boss knows that. He misrepresents how your talents will be used in your interview. You are maybe blinded because you really want to work for his company. Consistently thereafter he's not straight with you. He doesn't fulfill direct promises. Very specifically he promises to make changes that will enable you to excel when you threaten to quietly leave the company and gives some indications of making those changes to keep you on board. He then reneges on that promise and continues screwing with you. Finally, you explode in frustration and ultimately quit.

It was your fault for quitting, right?

Sorry but his teammates were also part of Butch’s bad coaching, yet you didn’t see them quit during the season.

What Hurd did was selfish, whether you guys will admit it or not.
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All people are "selfish"... and most selfish enough to quit a team/job when the boss is specifically screwing with them.

Jones was absolutely incompetent as a leader and manager of players. He is a slimy used car salesman... whether you will admit it or not.
 
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Vol_sanity said:
I dont think I am even arguing the selfish part. Even Hurd admits he would do it differently.

“Looking back at it, yeah, I should’ve waited it out,” Hurd explained. “I should have finished the season even if I wouldn’t have played (at Tennessee) again. I don’t think I’d be looked at in the same negative light I am now. But I didn’t see that at the time."

I bet Butch would still blame it all on Hurd
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Absolutely. He was a young guy with not a lot of experience. Jones was supposed to be the leader and adult.
 
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Jones was one in a line of failed coaches for our football team. We all get that. But this is about Hurd. He admits that he should have finished the season. Who are we to argue with him? He should have...blame Jones for him leaving after the season but mid-season, that's on Hurd
 
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Sea Ray said:
Jones was one in a line of failed coaches for our football team. We all get that. But this is about Hurd. He admits that he should have finished the season. Who are we to argue with him? He should have...blame Jones for him leaving after the season but mid-season, that's on Hurd
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Ugh! If Jones weren't a special level of liar and poor leader then Hurd would have never been in that situation to start with. That's what you guys seem to be missing.... how truly awful you have to be to get a kid that frustrated by lies and manipulation.

No. Hurd shouldn't have just walked away. But considering how much love for the Orange he brought when he came in... turning his back on virtually everyone else... how bad did it have to get for him to do that?

I'm really not sure why you guys are so invested in defending Jones.
 
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sjt18 said:
Ugh! If Jones weren't a special level of liar and poor leader then Hurd would have never been in that situation to start with. That's what you guys seem to be missing.... how truly awful you have to be to get a kid that frustrated by lies and manipulation.

No. Hurd shouldn't have just walked away. But considering how much love for the Orange he brought when he came in... turning his back on virtually everyone else... how bad did it have to get for him to do that?

I'm really not sure why you guys are so invested in defending Jones.
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I called Jones a failed coach. Call him a liar and a poor leader? Fine. You get no disagreement from me. But Hurd still shouldn't have walked out when he did. He admits it
 
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All he had to do was finish out the season and declare for the draft. Sure, maybe Butch's offense wasn't conducive to him. But Kamara finished out, ended up being a 3rd rd pick and now is making tens of millions of dollars a year on his current contract. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.
 
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Sea Ray said:
I called Jones a failed coach. Call him a liar and a poor leader? Fine. You get no disagreement from me. But Hurd still shouldn't have walked out when he did. He admits it
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Yes. He's now older and can look back on it reasonably. I look back on a situation I had as a young manager that I handled poorly with regret. And... I had a boss who wasn't very good and set me up to fail. I failed. Maybe in spite of my inexperience I should have done better... but I shouldn't have been in that position. Hurd shouldn't have been in that position.
 
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sjt18 said:
Ugh! If Jones weren't a special level of liar and poor leader then Hurd would have never been in that situation to start with. That's what you guys seem to be missing.... how truly awful you have to be to get a kid that frustrated by lies and manipulation.

No. Hurd shouldn't have just walked away. But considering how much love for the Orange he brought when he came in... turning his back on virtually everyone else... how bad did it have to get for him to do that?

I'm really not sure why you guys are so invested in defending Jones.
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Who is defending Jones? Hurd quit in the middle of a game.
 
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The Original Fade said:
Weird how people are blaming coaching for Hurd’s lackluster career.
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“lackluster career”, …… not while at UT. One season away from re-writing history as a running back. I will never forget this kids Moxy as a frosh, signaling to the UGA end to bring it. He over performed, until he didn’t.
Not using him in the I-formation (as Butch did during the Outback Bowl vs. Northwestern), is coaching malpractice. We all expected Hurd w/a lead blocker the following season, but it didn’t happen. Lackluster is not a term attached to Jalen Hurd.
 
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vavolfan6 said:
All he had to do was finish out the season and declare for the draft. Sure, maybe Butch's offense wasn't conducive to him. But Kamara finished out, ended up being a 3rd rd pick and now is making tens of millions of dollars a year on his current contract. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.
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That wasn't what created the issues. Jones was a lying manipulator. Eventually that's why he lost the team. He didn't have the character to shoot straight or play things honest. Dormady wasn't great but he earned the job until Jones manipulated things to give it to JG... because he wanted JG to have it.

The guy was just an awful leader. You could write a "what not to do" book based on virtually everything he did at UT.

Jones lied to him as a recruit and told him they would have an O that used his strengths. Jones then insisted on shoe horning him into his "brilliant" offensive scheme... resulting in Hurd being his own blocker much of the time. Hurd then apparently talked to him privately (like a man) about transferring. Jones installed some I formation runs for the bowl game to manipulate Hurd into staying. He did. Jones went right back to his manipulation and mind games the next fall ultimately resulting in Hurd's frustration boiling over.

Hurd's second mistake was going to Baylor and becoming a WR.
 
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sjt18 said:
You just did. He didn't just up and quit for no reason. It had been boiling up for months due to Jones' deception and poor leadership.
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There is no excuse for quitting in the middle of a game like that. That is not a defense of Butch Jones.
 
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When 1 player quits on a team during the middle of a game, it reflects more on the player than the coach..

When multiple players quit on a team during the middle of a game (think Mizzou and Vandy in 2018), it reflects more on the coach...
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
There is no excuse for quitting in the middle of a game like that. That is not a defense of Butch Jones.
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Yeah. It is when you don't qualify it with WHY it got to that point. Hurd shouldn't have quit. He also shouldn't have been in that position. Either Jones should have told him that he wasn't going to make the changes he promised and let Hurd go or he should have made the changes. He manipulated Hurd and frustrated him until it boiled over. You are blaming the symptom for the disease.
 
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patrick said:
Three years in the NFL earning about 2.7 million isn’t to shabby. Butch Jones was, and remains, an impudent jackass! He most assuredly had a strong hand in screwing up more than one of his players careers.
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That legacy close under huepel would have been fun to see, but yes Lyle is a jackass
 
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TennesseeTarheel said:
Best of luck to him. He created some big excitement for a while. If there was a watershed moment, I would guess when he lost the ball while "showboating" in the end zone. Was it Georgia?
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I could be wrong, but I'm thinking it was the Texas A&M game.
 
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snappervol said:
“lackluster career”, …… not while at UT. One season away from re-writing history as a running back. I will never forget this kids Moxy as a frosh, signaling to the UGA end to bring it. He over performed, until he didn’t.
Not using him in the I-formation (as Butch did during the Outback Bowl vs. Northwestern), is coaching malpractice. We all expected Hurd w/a lead blocker the following season, but it didn’t happen. Lackluster is not a term attached to Jalen Hurd.
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With so many players leaving early and the expanded number of games they play now, eclipsing your school record is easier than ever
 
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