Jalen Tabor has an opinion

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Burger said:
I think the concussion thing is highly exaggerated. More often than not, players go onto a fruitful career outside of sports. Lawrence Phillips and others also did drugs, which do way more damage than football.
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More often than not? So you'd say that more than 50% of ex-NFLers are successful outside the NFL?
 
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crusse10 said:
A solid amount have heightened physical pains for the rest of their lives, and more and more are being found to suffer from early onset dementia or are killing themselves from CTE. Because of the physical toll, I think it's good for them to be able to, at the very least, make money off their name and likeness to be able to set money aside. Would they do that with the money they get? That's tough to answer.
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Not as many as you think.
 
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crusse10 said:
More often than not? So you'd say that more than 50% of ex-NFLers are successful outside the NFL?
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Are we talking about college or NFL? There's a reason why NFL players get paid millions of dollars. Their salary reflects the risk. If NFL players truly cared about their health, they would retire after their rookie contract.

I can't sympathize with guys getting a free education when there are so many homeless. They could always become a coal miner, iron worker, or a mill worker who dies by 50.
 
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crusse10 said:
It's never going to be a perfect system, just like the NFL isn't. I could see it being a scenario where every school has a set amount every year, and but unlike the NFL, you renegotiate it after every year. I'm not sitting here saying that I have all the answers. I'm simply saying that I understand where a player is coming from when they say that they work harder than just about every student on campus at a profession that will either kill you or will drive you to kill yourself, and that because of it, they should have compensation to set up a health fund, ownership of their name and likeness, and ownership of themselves if they intend to transfer. Coaches, as long as they pay the piper, can dip out whenever, but players can literally be told where they can and cannot continue their schooling on scholarship.

It's not slavery. I agree. But there are certain aspects of the current collegiate athletics model that can be related to a slavery system.
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There are certain aspects to blue collar work that can be related to a slavery system and you don't hear the millions of workers complaining about it. If you're blessed enough to play sports on a college scholarship and get everything payed for plus a stipend then you really shouldn't be complaining about it. It makes you look like an entitled little b****.
 
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Burger said:
Are we talking about college or NFL? There's a reason why NFL players get paid millions of dollars. Their salary reflects the risk. If NFL players truly cared about their health, they would retire after their rookie contract.
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Maybe 10 years ago. But now the rookie contract is pennies in comparison. Now it's all about getting to the 2nd contract where you actually make what you can set aside and live on.
 
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crusse10 said:
Maybe 10 years ago. But now the rookie contract is pennies in comparison. Now it's all about getting to the 2nd contract where you actually make what you can set aside and live on.
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The nfl minimum is 420,000. And 107,000 for practice squad. That's hardly pennies.
 
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crusse10 said:
Maybe 10 years ago. But now the rookie contract is pennies in comparison. Now it's all about getting to the 2nd contract where you actually make what you can set aside and live on.
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You can live off of a rookie contract and a college education for the rest of your life. The min is 420 per year. It costs about 900k to retire. I can live off of 1.6 million and a bachelor's or masters degree.
 
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crusse10 said:
A lot of kids from poorer communities feel that sports is the only way to get out of the terrible situations they are in. In that respect, you could say that their society is making them play. You could also say that their families are making them play.
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Easily the dumbest post in this thread.

Society is not making poor kids play football.

The extent to which some poor kids see football as the only way out of being poor is not society's fault.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Easily the dumbest post in this thread.

Society is not making poor kids play football.

The extent to which some poor kids see football as the only way out of being poor is not society's fault.
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You've never heard kids from bad neighborhoods talk about how they committed to sports because they saw it as their way to leave?
 
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crusse10 said:
Slavery in the sense of not being paid adequately, not being able to own rights to yourself, not being able to transfer and play immediately (unless you've already completed your degree)

Yeah. There are a few things in the business of college football where the player is told a list of things normal Americans can legally do that he cannot do.
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Equating a college football student athlete to a slave is insulting to families of actual slaves IMO. There isn't a college in the world that is forcing any of these individuals to play sports. Will they get a free education, free room and board, other free crap if they don't get there on an athletic scholarship? No.......have a seat next to everyone else who cant throw a football a mile.
 
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crusse10 said:
A lot of kids from poorer communities feel that sports is the only way to get out of the terrible situations they are in. In that respect, you could say that their society is making them play. You could also say that their families are making them play.
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It's not the same as slavery, period.
 
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crusse10 said:
You've never heard kids from bad neighborhoods talk about how they committed to sports because they saw it as their way to leave?
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Yes I have.

They believe this not because society dictates or demands they believe it. More often than not it's because they don't see the long term value of an education.

Society shouldn't get credit for Dr. Ben Carson growing up poor and becoming a world class neurosurgeon, and society shouldn't be blamed for a kid who gets an athletic scholarship, doesn't graduate from college and doesn't go to the NFL.
 
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crusse10 said:
I don't disagree. Yes, they all get a full ride to get their degree, but they're also playing a sport proven to destroy their brains. Is the scholarship really a fair level of compensation? I hardly believe so.
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It's called free will. Nobody making them play the game for the free education, perks, notoriety, business connections and potential 7 to 8 figure income potential that the best have in their future. They know both the risks and rewards and choose to play a game that majority profess to love.
 
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I suggest Jalen Tabor watch the movie "12 Years a Slave".

Perhaps then he will gain some perspective and see just how stupid his comments are.
 
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All of these guys are playing football of their own free will.

How many people voluntarily jumped on ship to come to America and be a slave?
 
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crusse10 said:
I don't disagree. Yes, they all get a full ride to get their degree, but they're also playing a sport proven to destroy their brains. Is the scholarship really a fair level of compensation? I hardly believe so.
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Still, slavery? Probably closer to being gladiators and not the slaves forced to fight, but the professionals who got paid and were famous across Rome.
 
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