Jalen Tabor has an opinion

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RockyTop411 said:
How ironic. :lol:
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Considering my post was not a complete sentence, it's not necessary to capitalize the first letter of the first word. Also, phrases that are not complete sentences do not end with a period. That correction was also incorrect.

Also, I'd reckon that you aren't even sure about what I was insinuating was wrong.
 
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508mikey said:
He can leave whenever he wants - slaves could not -- this guy is ignorant
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He can leave whenever he wants. Yes. But he cannot necessarily go wherever he wants. The school to which he signed his life for at least 3 years has that final say.

That's part of what I'm arguing falls under the guise of slavery-esque.

The player, if he wants, can't leave to go to another school if his current one says "no." But coaches can leave under any circumstances as long as someone, whether it's the coach himself or the next institution, pays the buyout.

A coach can leave as long as he or his new institution pays. Why is it fair that the athletes can't? They're required, basically without the ability to mediate, to sign a contract that gives away ownership of their likeness and power to control the location where they work in exchange for what equates to roughly a 50-60 hour work week during football season (football work + classes + class work).

The requirement to sign away the ownership of your likeness and the inability to dictate where you play with the same fickleness of the coaches (who are actually being paid) seems wrong to me. Coaches get to have their cake and eat it too, while the players are locked in by a laundry list of rules.
 
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crusse10 said:
A lot of kids from poorer communities feel that sports is the only way to get out of the terrible situations they are in. In that respect, you could say that their society is making them play. You could also say that their families are making them play.
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We could also say you will say anything, no matter how insane or asinine, to make your point.

On the long list of social injustices that plague the world, this one is way down the list. If the rewards of playing college football is that humiliating to Tabor or any other player, let them find another way to rise above their situation. The only point Tabor made is he has the ability to be an idiot, something the rest of us got when he chose the Gators.
 
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So risk equals right to payment or that someone is making money off of their work when they aren't? These guys put themselves at risk long before they get to college. High school and middle school teams aren't as likely to have the quality medical staff that most major universities have. The risk exists long before college play. As for payment for making money off of their work, not far off from a research assistant at a major research university either?

The college football system can be more closely compared to the apprenticeship system in a somewhat risky field. Comparing it to slavery is outlandish and inflammatory though. But throwing the slaveryy accusation around is chic so whatever I guess.
 
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crusse10 said:
I don't disagree. Yes, they all get a full ride to get their degree, but they're also playing a sport proven to destroy their brains. Is the scholarship really a fair level of compensation? I hardly believe so.
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OY! Makes me wonder why you're on this board?
 
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crusse10 said:
He can leave whenever he wants. Yes. But he cannot necessarily go wherever he wants. The school to which he signed his life for at least 3 years has that final say.

That's part of what I'm arguing falls under the guise of slavery-esque.
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Seriously? He is free to go wherever he wants as a student at any time. Playing a sport is a choice entered into freely. There's no way it can possibly be described as slavery-esque.
 
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crusse10 said:
Slavery in the sense of not being paid adequately, not being able to own rights to yourself, not being able to transfer and play immediately (unless you've already completed your degree)

Yeah. There are a few things in the business of college football where the player is told a list of things normal Americans can legally do that he cannot do.
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sounds legit. I remember reading about slaves getting to choose their plantation, all the great state of the art medical attention they had in their dangerous field to make sure they could work the next day. I also think it was a good move by the plantation owner's to make sure their slaves were educated, and had opportunities after 3-5 years that the slaves never would have gotten outside of a plantation. I agree without social media of today the slaves of yesterday wouldn't have gotten all the attention they do now but I am sure all the slaves were big time in their local area just the same getting tons of benefits from friends of the plantations owner's and the local businesses. yeah the modern college football player experience reminds me exactly of slavery, or at least its close enough to be comparable.

this line of thinking is dumb dumb dumb. its just like the real world, the players sign a contract. If you don't like the contract don't sign. happens in the real world.
 
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crusse10 said:
Slavery in the sense of not being paid adequately, not being able to own rights to yourself, not being able to transfer and play immediately (unless you've already completed your degree)

Yeah. There are a few things in the business of college football where the player is told a list of things normal Americans can legally do that he cannot do.
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Let me guess. You are voting for Bernie Sanders, aren't you?
 
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LouderVol said:
sounds legit. I remember reading about slaves getting to choose their plantation, all the great state of the art medical attention they had in their dangerous field to make sure they could work the next day. I also think it was a good move by the plantation owner's to make sure their slaves were educated, and had opportunities after 3-5 years that the slaves never would have gotten outside of a plantation. I agree without social media of today the slaves of yesterday wouldn't have gotten all the attention they do now but I am sure all the slaves were big time in their local area just the same getting tons of benefits from friends of the plantations owner's and the local businesses. yeah the modern college football player experience reminds me exactly of slavery, or at least its close enough to be comparable.

this line of thinking is dumb dumb dumb. its just like the real world, the players sign a contract. If you don't like the contract don't sign. happens in the real world.
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Asbolutely brilliant post.

And don't forget back then slaves were only allowed to make one official visit instead of five.

That official visit was an all expenses paid boat ride...one-way...and the plantation was chosen for them, not the other way around.

The dorms weren't all that accomodating, medical benefits non-existent, and if it was determined that a slave tried to educated himself/herself, that slave was killed.

Anyone playing the slavery card need their head examined. It's a horrible analogy to make.
 
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crusse10 said:
He can leave whenever he wants. Yes. But he cannot necessarily go wherever he wants. The school to which he signed his life for at least 3 years has that final say.

That's part of what I'm arguing falls under the guise of slavery-esque.

The player, if he wants, can't leave to go to another school if his current one says "no." But coaches can leave under any circumstances as long as someone, whether it's the coach himself or the next institution, pays the buyout.

A coach can leave as long as he or his new institution pays. Why is it fair that the athletes can't? They're required, basically without the ability to mediate, to sign a contract that gives away ownership of their likeness and power to control the location where they work in exchange for what equates to roughly a 50-60 hour work week during football season (football work + classes + class work).

The requirement to sign away the ownership of your likeness and the inability to dictate where you play with the same fickleness of the coaches (who are actually being paid) seems wrong to me. Coaches get to have their cake and eat it too, while the players are locked in by a laundry list of rules.
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So this kid did not know what he was getting into when he signed with Florida? Bless his heart. I love how people with leftist points of view always overstate the issues. This kid could transfer to a JC today. And yes, he like any other player has to play by the rules and sit out a year before transferring to another division 1 school. If he does not like the rules, who cares?
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Asbolutely brilliant post.

And don't forget back then slaves were only allowed to make one official visit instead of five.

That official visit was an all expenses paid boat ride...one-way...and the plantation was chosen for them, not the other way around.

The dorms weren't all that accomodating, medical benefits non-existent, and if it was determined that a slave tried to educated himself/herself, that slave was killed.

Anyone playing the slavery card need their head examined. It's a horrible analogy to make.
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and its pretty comparable to have to sit out a year of football and losing one's life/limb/etc. I mean a year now in the age of a teenager is definitely longer than a year for those slaves. they know the struggle and the struggle is real, for them.
 
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Do they still allow public whipping of athletes wishing to transfer or did the ncaa finally put a stop that?
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Asbolutely brilliant post.

And don't forget back then slaves were only allowed to make one official visit instead of five.

That official visit was an all expenses paid boat ride...one-way...and the plantation was chosen for them, not the other way around.

The dorms weren't all that accomodating, medical benefits non-existent, and if it was determined that a slave tried to educated himself/herself, that slave was killed.

Anyone playing the slavery card need their head examined. It's a horrible analogy to make.
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#blackncaaslaveslivesmatter #safespace
 
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crusse10 said:
He can leave whenever he wants. Yes. But he cannot necessarily go wherever he wants. The school to which he signed his life for at least 3 years has that final say.

That's part of what I'm arguing falls under the guise of slavery-esque.

The player, if he wants, can't leave to go to another school if his current one says "no." But coaches can leave under any circumstances as long as someone, whether it's the coach himself or the next institution, pays the buyout.

A coach can leave as long as he or his new institution pays. Why is it fair that the athletes can't? They're required, basically without the ability to mediate, to sign a contract that gives away ownership of their likeness and power to control the location where they work in exchange for what equates to roughly a 50-60 hour work week during football season (football work + classes + class work).

The requirement to sign away the ownership of your likeness and the inability to dictate where you play with the same fickleness of the coaches (who are actually being paid) seems wrong to me. Coaches get to have their cake and eat it too, while the players are locked in by a laundry list of rules.
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This stupid comparison is not now, nor will it ever be accurate, so please stop trying to make it.

Will they be whipped if they leave the program? Lynched? Hunted down by men on horseback with tracking dogs? Will they be stripped away forcefully from their families to go play football? Sold like cattle and locked in chains in the cargo hold of a ship for weeks to be taken away to their new practice facilities? Forcefully branded to show what school owns them? Will their civil rights be revoked?

Or will they be given free education, housing, food, etc. and the choice to run the risk/reward scenario of continuing to play sports if they CHOOSE to for the chance at millions of dollars?

I'm a white male, and even I can see how ignorant, stupid, and plain offensive this comparison is, especially considering human trafficking and slavery still take place in almost every single country today worldwide, including 1st world nations. You really, really need to stop digging a deeper hole.
 
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What is he, 19 years old ? At that age it seems unfair to put yourself on the line, take all the physical risks, and watch a bunch of old people who aren't even there get all the money.

Really no different than most businesses - the fry cook smells like grease and gets splashed with hot oil for minimum wage, meanwhile the franchise owner gets all the profits.

It's not a particularly deep or insightful thought on his part - he fails to notice the SEC has invested hundreds of millions if not billions in building stadiums and facilities

Basically, he wants more money now - welcome to Planet Earth, everyone else wants more money too
 
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BearCat204 said:
Jalen Tabor is a moron
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Agree. Along with his free education,free health care and above normal meals along with other pay outs and bowl gifts he is learning teamwork, discipline, strategy, people skills, sportsmanship and may life skills playing football. He should count his blessings!!!
When does the "cost of attendance" pay out start?
 
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crusse10 said:
A lot of kids from poorer communities feel that sports is the only way to get out of the terrible situations they are in. In that respect, you could say that their society is making them play. You could also say that their families are making them play.
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They can't join the armed forces? Get a job?
 
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Jesus I couldn't have found a more ignorant and self entitled comment than this. Slavery? LOL you know you can quit and not get killed unlike some people back in the days.....
 
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Backwards K said:
How about an education? You don't think kids from poorer communities can get an education?

Not directed at you Doc, but the one you were responding to.
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No, Crusse's view looks like all of these players' were living life like Boyz n the Hood
 
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