January 6 Retribution Begins

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#151
You're leaving quite a bit out regarding Trump, the actions of the government officials and Capitol police - especially after the video evidence.

Do you believe that if the group was "Successful" in what it is you think they tried to do that the United States would have ceased to exist as we know it and Donald Trump would have remained in power?
 
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Septic said:
I believe that Donny stood idly by while his supporters took his words to "march on the Capitol and fight like hell" literally.

They then used violence to storm and riot in the Capitol building in an attempt to stop the certification of the electoral votes. The violence and rioting culminating in at least one death wherein the VP and Representatives had to be evacuated or barricade themselves.

Suggesting that this didn't rise to meet your definition of an insurrection really just means you don't want to accept reality because it's inconvenient.
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You have also left out quite a bit of inconvenient facts for your argument.

So I have you down as a yes as well. Thanks.
 
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just bob said:
You're leaving quite a bit out regarding Trump, the actions of the government officials and Capitol police - especially after the video evidence.

Do you believe that if the group was "Successful" in what it is you think they tried to do that the United States would have ceased to exist as we know it and Donald Trump would have remained in power?
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Whether it was successful or not is quite beside the point. And in the history books it will be cited as but one example of a long series of acts and verbal threats designed to intimidate officials that dared disobey Trump.
 
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#155
lawgator1 said:
Whether it was successful or not is quite beside the point. And in the history books it will be cited as but one example of a long series of acts and verbal threats designed to intimidate officials that dared disobey Trump.
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I know what you mean to a certain level, though all we've heard for the past several years from the left is how "Democracy (And you have to say it with that ridiculous accent)" was in peril and blah blah. It's pretty eyerolling. These people were unarmed. Michael Byrd is a coward who killed an unarmed woman on the other side of a barrier. The government was not in jeopardy and I know that you know that. But I am curious as to why some still repeat the lies told that day by the government, probably the same people who mask and just got their 15th shot I guess.
 
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hog88 said:
Pretty poor attempt, didn't even bring a gun to a building guarded by hundreds of men with guns.
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And that buffalo dude (And many others) who was just casually walking around after being let in to everything. Having conversations with the guards. The FBI involvement, the video we can now see. Peculiar situation to say the least.
 
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lawgator1 said:
To be precise:

1) Trump promoted the group heading to the WH to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power. By itself, that is not insurrection BY TRUMP.

2) I can believe that Trump did not initially realize that the group would become as threatening and as violent and as disruptive as they were. That is probably not what he had in mind when he initially spoke to them. By itself, that is not insurrection BY TRUMP.

3) Members of the group resorted to violence in an effort to stop the peaceful transfer of power. By definition, that is insurrection by those that did so.

4) Once it began and was out of hand, I do believe Trump was very much aware of it and was in fact delighted by it because it fed his ego. This includes knowing of the threats being made to Pence, among others. He should have jumped in far earlier and more forcefully than he did. I'd say it was his failure to intervene (and to do so only grudgingly) that is his biggest fault.
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So #4 is based on your feelings. Some lawyer
 
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I find the cognitive dissonance remarkable. Trump supporters are dangerously armed right wing white supremists who will run amok if given the chance.
thehill.com

Biden campaign warns second Trump presidency would mean gun violence gets worse

The Biden campaign Monday laid out the stakes of the 2024 election when it comes to gun violence, warning that a second term for former President Trump would “cost more American lives.” In a memo s…
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Yet, the insurrection was fought with flag poles and pepper spray.
 
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TN Ribs said:
But they are the ones who have been crying for three years about a rigged and stolen election with zero proof and still support the POS who decided he wanted to stay in power despite losing an election because his feelings were hurt.
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Do you think there was anything, anything at all suspicious about the 2020 presidential election?
 
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TN Ribs said:
But they are the ones who have been crying for three years about a rigged and stolen election with zero proof and still support the POS who decided he wanted to stay in power despite losing an election because his feelings were hurt.
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This is the most sane, correct and true post in your history on this board.
 
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#173
TN Ribs said:
WTF dude, you can't be serious!
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Oh, but he is. Trump supporters are living life on a record with scratches on it that just skips and skips forever.

Trump supporter: "There is no evidence Trump did anything wrong!"

Show him the evidence.

Trump supporter: "There is no evidence Trump did anything wrong!"

Followed by, "The election was stolen!"

Ask to see evidence of that and there is none.

"The election was stolen!"


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And on and on it goes....
 
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just bob said:
How did he try to steal it?
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After numerous legal challenges were flatly rejected by federal and state judges in several battleground states, Trump and his allies began actively pushing Republican state officials to reverse the election results.

Specifically, prosecutors outlined in the indictment how they a) asked governors and secretaries of state to not certify the popular vote results, and b) pointed to nonexistent voter fraud to encourage state legislatures to set aside the popular vote and choose a fresh slate of pro-Trump electors.

According to the indictment, the plan was outlined in a series of memos that "evolved over time from a legal strategy to preserve the Defendant's right to a corrupt plan to subvert the federal government function by stopping Biden electors' votes from being counted and certified."

The Trump team helped prepare fake certificates in seven states that Trump lost: Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. In many cases, these certificates falsely stated that the electors were their state’s “duly elected and qualified” electors. Those phony certificates were then submitted to the National Archives and Congress. A watchdog group published some of the fake certificates.

The certificates signed in Pennsylvania and New Mexico include a potentially important caveat, however, saying that the certificates were submitted in case the alternate electors were later recognized as duly elected (i.e., if Trump was eventually deemed the winner of the election in those states).
 
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lawgator1 said:
Oh, but he is. Trump supporters are living life on a record with scratches on it that just skips and skips forever.

Trump supporter: "There is no evidence Trump did anything wrong!"

Show him the evidence.

Trump supporter: "There is no evidence Trump did anything wrong!"

Followed by, "The election was stolen!"

Ask to see evidence of that and there is none.

"The election was stolen!"


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And on and on it goes....
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MAGA is most ill-informed voting block this country has ever seen.
 
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