Japan? Total Catastrophe. Obama? He went golfing

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distrovol said:
I don't think anyone is saying the President can personally do something to make the situation better, but it shows that he did not learn the lessons of Katrina, gulf oil spill, ect. Bush was savaged in the press for not landing in NOLA even though he had good reason not to. But the press was more concerned with painting him as a detached figurehead rather than an engaged leader. BHO's track record thus far for crisis response is quite underwhelming. He is lucky the press is in the tank for him because if it was anyone else, the outcry would be withering. One would think he'd be getting better political advise given his declining poll numbers.
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While it was wrong to critcize Bush himself, (those carrying out the response were more justified for criticism) this comparison between which President is worse in a crisis (or any other of the myriad both sides throw out) is tiresome. Our Presidents are not Superman. Aid/assistance was ordered by BOTH men to the scope felt needed. Physical presence/ weeping wailing and gnashing of teeth is not going to help.

I just wish the peeing match from both sides of 'your guy is/was worse than my guy' would end, and if only for a moment we could work together. We have been ripping each other apart for over a decade now and are worse off for the exercise. These are all politicians whose goals are primarily self serving, yet we all feed the frenzy by goring at each other for any perceived slight or misstep. Time to stop the Republican/Democrat blind loyalty and renew our loyalty to our nation.

I dont mean to be harsh, but damn folks, enough petty nitpicking is enough. Let's focus on fixing some REAL problems. This is not a high school popularity contest.
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#78
#78
If I were President, I would not be golfing at this time. I remember Bush getting excoriated for golfing before the war he launched. It's not quite the same with Obama, but it is bad form, IMHO.
 
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utgibbs said:
If I were President, I would not be golfing at this time. I remember Bush getting excoriated for golfing before the war he launched. It's not quite the same with Obama, but it is bad form, IMHO.
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Those are two totally different scenarios. You're comparing a natural disaster in a foreign land to an unpopular war launched on irrational terms.
 
#82
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utgibbs said:
If I were President, I would not be golfing at this time. I remember Bush getting excoriated for golfing before the war he launched. It's not quite the same with Obama, but it is bad form, IMHO.
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DinkinFlicka said:
Those are two totally different scenarios. You're comparing a natural disaster in a foreign land to an unpopular war launched on irrational terms.
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Although I approve of your description of events, I was trying to say the two scenarios weren't the same.

However, I still wouldn't be golfing at this time.
 
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In the larger scheme it's not a big deal but it's certainly not the best PR move to go golfing, make announcements about your NCAA picks, etc. during the immediate aftermath of a such a disaster.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
What's he supposed to do?
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Nothing really but the symbolism isn't good when you go golfing while one of your closest allies deals with that kind of crisis.

You can be sure if it were Bush or any other GOP President, the MSM would have pounded them.
 
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lawgator1 said:
This was pointed out on Fox "News" at least 24 hours ago. I'm disapointed it took you so long to parrot the company line on this.
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All the while msnbc is reminding us how obama is saving the economy and republicans are racist.
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DinkinFlicka said:
Those are two totally different scenarios. You're comparing a natural disaster in a foreign land to an unpopular war launched on irrational terms.
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The war was not irrational. It was based on what turned out to be bad intelligence. Apparently the intelligence was so well fabricated that even Saddam thought he had WMD's at his disposal.

It was also a good ploy to have business as usual right before you launch an attack.

I think the point is that Obama gets alot more rec time and golf than Bush had but the MSM ignores it. Just one more example of bias.

FTR, wars tend to be unpopular when the press a)constantly reports on how unpopular they are, b) nitpicks everything that looks like a mistake (war is not an easy business so that opportunity is ALWAYS there), and c) when body counts are part of the daily news. In 2010, the US had 499 KIA. That's about half the rate of Iraq... with far less than half the number of troops but somehow with Obama in the WH it isn't newsworthy.
 
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distrovol said:
I don't think anyone is saying the President can personally do something to make the situation better, but it shows that he did not learn the lessons of Katrina, gulf oil spill, ect. Bush was savaged in the press for not landing in NOLA even though he had good reason not to. But the press was more concerned with painting him as a detached figurehead rather than an engaged leader. BHO's track record thus far for crisis response is quite underwhelming. He is lucky the press is in the tank for him because if it was anyone else, the outcry would be withering. One would think he'd be getting better political advise given his declining poll numbers.
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Well said
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#95
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I still say it's nothing more than a 'my guy vs your guy' peeing contest. Politicians= Winning bigger than Charlie Sheen.
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#98
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JayVols said:
While it was wrong to critcize Bush himself, (those carrying out the response were more justified for criticism) this comparison between which President is worse in a crisis (or any other of the myriad both sides throw out) is tiresome. Our Presidents are not Superman. Aid/assistance was ordered by BOTH men to the scope felt needed. Physical presence/ weeping wailing and gnashing of teeth is not going to help.

I just wish the peeing match from both sides of 'your guy is/was worse than my guy' would end, and if only for a moment we could work together. We have been ripping each other apart for over a decade now and are worse off for the exercise. These are all politicians whose goals are primarily self serving, yet we all feed the frenzy by goring at each other for any perceived slight or misstep. Time to stop the Republican/Democrat blind loyalty and renew our loyalty to our nation.

I dont mean to be harsh, but damn folks, enough petty nitpicking is enough. Let's focus on fixing some REAL problems. This is not a high school popularity contest.
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I think you missed my point. It's not about "my guy vs. your guy", but rather some leaders tend to have a tin ear with respect to how they deal with a crisis. People watch their leadership and form opinions about how they respond to it because crisis is one of the best ways to gauge a mans mettle. That BP CEO went yahting while the oil spill was going on. Could he have personally done anything? No, but he was excoriated in the media when he did it. And I believe he lost his job shortly afterward. Peoples' perception is their reality.
 
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distrovol said:
I think you missed my point. It's not about "my guy vs. your guy", but rather some leaders tend to have a tin ear with respect to how they deal with a crisis. People watch their leadership and form opinions about how they respond to it because crisis is one of the best ways to gauge a mans mettle. That BP CEO went yahting while the oil spill was going on. Could he have personally done anything? No, but he was excoriated in the media when he did it. And I believe he lost his job shortly afterward. Peoples' perception is their reality.
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I completely understand this point. I was referring mainly to the comparisons between our current and former Presidents. I just find it pointless. If you think Obama is handling this wrongly, fine. I just see both cases as a hater's gonna hate no matter what concept. It's all good. I just find it an exercise in futility. Personally, I find all politicians as self-serving egomanics interested only in themselves. So they ALL SUCK!!!!!
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distrovol said:
I think you missed my point. It's not about "my guy vs. your guy", but rather some leaders tend to have a tin ear with respect to how they deal with a crisis. People watch their leadership and form opinions about how they respond to it because crisis is one of the best ways to gauge a mans mettle. That BP CEO went yahting while the oil spill was going on. Could he have personally done anything? No, but he was excoriated in the media when he did it. And I believe he lost his job shortly afterward. Peoples' perception is their reality.
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This is good.
 
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