Jarnell Stokes going to be the best post player since....

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Hardwood_fanatic said:
The three greatest players IMO to ever play in the SEC are (in no particular order) Bernard King, Dan Issel, and Pete Maravich.

A 2nd tier exists such as Oneal, Barkley, Mashburn, Houston, Chapman etc. But IMO, those three stand alone.
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Chris Jackson wasn't half bad either.
 
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
The three greatest players IMO to ever play in the SEC are (in no particular order) Bernard King, Dan Issel, and Pete Maravich.

A 2nd tier exists such as Oneal, Barkley, Mashburn, Houston, Chapman etc. But IMO, those three stand alone.
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O'neal wasn't 2nd tier imo. Mashburn and the rest are def. close. Houston...hard to say.
 
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ok...i guess you say BK??? my thought process is this, the question of he is going to be the best post player since doesnt mean he has to be here for years. i think unless there is a setback stokes is a lottery pick whenever he decides to leave. we havent had a lottery post pick since, im guessing BK? so therefore, that would make stokes the best since bk in the post right?
 
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1985Vols said:
Exactly. I said SINCE Bernard King because in my opinion, there will NEVER be another Bernard King. I grew up watching him play and he, Grunfeld and Jackson were amazing. Too bad the NCAA tourney only let the conference champion in back then. Not only did it make it difficult to get in but your first round game was usually like a Sweet 16 game today. I remember one year we lost to Syracuse in OT in the first round.
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I agree with everything you say here, but you seem to have slept through the Dale Ellis years if you think Stokes will be the best since King.
 
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BigPapaCat said:
3-4 definitely come before him. O'neal, Mara., Issel, Allen Houston...just a few.

It's really hard to compare players from different generations. And the sec is so deep, very hard to rank players.
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Issel couldn't hold King's jock and neither could Houston.

I realize you're a UK fan and it's hard to accept that King is better than anyone that has ever played for the Big Blue.
 
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
The three greatest players IMO to ever play in the SEC are (in no particular order) Bernard King, Dan Issel, and Pete Maravich.

A 2nd tier exists such as Oneal, Barkley, Mashburn, Houston, Chapman etc. But IMO, those three stand alone.
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I would put Givens and Grevey ahead of Chapman every single day and twice on Sunday. Alabama's had some great players as well. Reggie King, Charles Cleveland, Leon Douglas, TR Dunn, Robert Horry, Antonio McDyess. Georgia's had guys like Dominique and Vern Fleming. At Auburn you had Mike Mitchell, Barkley and Chuck Person.

The SEC has always been far underrated in basketball because of their dominating prowess in football. Still, the SEC has been one of the best leagues in my lifetime. Many years it was the best and didn't get the recognition
 
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BigPapaCat said:
Hey give me credit...

I included a UT player in my top 5.
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For what?

If you know basketball, then you know that Bernard King is better than anyone who has ever suited up for UK. Being a UK fan isn't synonomous with having a high basketball IQ, although I do respect most UK fans' opinions
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
ok...i guess you say BK??? my thought process is this, the question of he is going to be the best post player since doesnt mean he has to be here for years. i think unless there is a setback stokes is a lottery pick whenever he decides to leave. we havent had a lottery post pick since, im guessing BK? so therefore, that would make stokes the best since bk in the post right?
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I wouldn't be surprised a bit to see Stokes graduate from tennessee and be a top lottery pick.
This kid's smart and comes from a family that puts a high value on education.
There are a lot of 5*s that complete their education.
Stokes will be one of them. JMO
 
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calban said:
I wouldn't be surprised a bit to see Stokes graduate from tennessee and be a top lottery pick.
This kid's smart and comes from a family that puts a high value on education.
There are a lot of 5*s that complete their education.
Stokes will be one of them. JMO
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I know this is being subjective and probably a bit judgmental but I fEel If he stays and graduates he won't go top 5. Those top picks are so potential bases and future production bases they put a huge tag on age. If he stays 4 years hell be 22, not old but old by nba draft pick standards.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I know this is being subjective and probably a bit judgmental but I fEel If he stays and graduates he won't go top 5. Those top picks are so potential bases and future production bases they put a huge tag on age. If he stays 4 years hell be 22, not old but old by nba draft pick standards.
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He'd just be turning 21 beginning 014-015 season.
But he's smart enough to graduate 013-014.
Think it depends on 013 and 014 recruiting classes.
If he and family see a chance at a NC run he'd stay 4 years. Kid is Tennessee thru and thru. JMO
 
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calban said:
He'd just be turning 21 beginning 014-015 season.
But he's smart enough to graduate 013-014.
Think it depends on 013 and 014 recruiting classes.
If he and family see a chance at a NC run he'd stay 4 years. Kid is Tennessee thru and thru. JMO
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That's right forgot he is young even for his high school class just turning 18. The '13 class could mean a lot to this program as it loaded with talent and we have multiple scholarships. Also like you said it could be the class that sets us up for a deep run in the tourney, and what kid wouldn't want to be a part of that here. I'm very excited about Tennessee basketball again, who would have thought so soon after the mess that we'd be feelin good about our team.
 
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
Ah, I see. You're one of those folks who thinks their opinion is worth more than the paper we wipe our ass with. We'll just agree to disagree.
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I am sorry if I have made you feel this way. Who on that list would you replace with Chapman? You notice that I didn't put Houston on that list because I don't think he's one of the ten best ever in the SEC. That's just my opinion from watching LOTS of SEC basketball for 40+ years. You think Chapman was better than Houston? You may believe me or not, but I generally respect your opinion as being informed; however, your UK bias seems to be taking over your judgement on the best ever list
 
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2ironVol said:
I am sorry if I have made you feel this way. Who on that list would you replace with Chapman? You notice that I didn't put Houston on that list because I don't think he's one of the ten best ever in the SEC. That's just my opinion from watching LOTS of SEC basketball for 40+ years. You think Chapman was better than Houston? You may believe me or not, but I generally respect your opinion as being informed; however, your UK bias seems to be taking over your judgement on the best ever list
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Well, quite honestly I think it's close impossible to even create such a list. Comparing guards who played with no 3 point arc to modern players, etc. No, it has nothing to do with bias. In many cases, people try to rank players with a flawed bias, which is taking into account what a player did "after" their time in the SEC. There are young kids running around this board right now (a few UK fans) who have no clue who BK even is, and thinks that players like Delk, Walker, and so on hung the moon.

If anything, I would probably bump Mashburn to an 11-15 spot replace him with Chapman.

Jumps like a brother, shoots like your mother. That's going way back.
 
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2ironVol said:
Issel couldn't hold King's jock and neither could Houston.

I realize you're a UK fan and it's hard to accept that King is better than anyone that has ever played for the Big Blue.
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2ironVol said:
For what?

If you know basketball, then you know that Bernard King is better than anyone who has ever suited up for UK. Being a UK fan isn't synonomous with having a high basketball IQ, although I do respect most UK fans' opinions
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King is good. But not in top 3-4. Probably 5. Just my opinion. I don't have a problem with a UT player being better than an UK player.
 
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