Jay Graham to FSU (merged)

[Dooby15]

calm down,take a deep breath.and don't be an arse.:hi:

My apologies. That's as bad as my venting gets.

 

[hmanvolfan]

Lamarcus Coker

Well, there ya go.

 

[Bob Mueller]

Not even close to true.

Tell us what the truth is.

 

[KCVolLaw]

Lamarcus Coker

That name still hurts

 

[KBVol]

Jay Graham didn't need CBJ to "put his neck on the line". Jay showed himself at SC, and he showed himself here last year. Nothing was given to Jay, he earned it. And of course people are going to scream he's not VFL. I call BS. He played his heart out as a Vol, now it's onto the business part of life. UT should have matched FSU's offer IMO. At some point fans need to stop blaming the former players who don't come home and start blaming the university for not wanting to pay the money. And blame CBJ for not fighting for the money to pay Jay. He made sure his guys got paid, and none of them were alum.

You don't know what offer/how much $$ Jay accepted. We do know that Jays salary was about to go to 260k from 225k and that CBJ reportedly asked for and was given ok to pay JG 300k. Clearly that wasn't enough, so you can't say let's blame CBJ for not fighting for the money to pay Jay. Gotta be fair until we know more.

 

[Volumnus 2011]

I will guarantee you that is not the case. If you believe that, then you're a gullible fool. Cheek is to blame for a lot of things, but Graham leaving is not one one of them.

Hey, don't shoot the messenger. Basilio is wrong sometimes, but he does have pretty good info most of the time. Ainge claims to know what's going on, so someone listen to his show tomorrow and let us know what he has to say. I don't know what to believe, but I DO think CJG leaving is bizarre.

 

[Volumnus 2011]

Lamarcus Coker

Or David Oku. Or Bryce Brown.

 

[Spartacavolus]

So Cheek is the reason why Graham didn't sign any of the top rbs we offered?

 

[LotteryPick]

Here's a question, can y'all name any running backs that were dominant while playing for Tennessee lately?

Hardesty.

 

[NGage]

Whatever else, Graham could stay and be part of the solution, or leave and add to the problems (at least perceptually).....and he chose to leave.

 

[volger]

How many of our coaches were above him on the pay scale? There's not a position coach on the staff that should make much more, if any more than Graham. IMO this isn't a Jay Graham issue, it's a UT issue. One that has went on far too long.

He was the second lowest paid assistant on the staff. SIAP, late to the party and haven't read entire thread.

 

[volger]

wait a sec, FSU has Sanders and Sunseri? lol:

did they lose a bet?

Lmao right there.

 

[1967]

Jay helped us as a player and as a coach and as a top notch recruiter. I wish CBJ could still find the money and responsibility to add to Jay to reverse this before he actually leaves. Maybe we assumed he would stay and used up our titles and money on other staff members.

Im still 100% for CBJ but sad to lose such a good man. Wish Jay well just like Cincinnati fans and players wished Coach Jones well when he left. Anybody who makes a negative comment on a good man taking a promotion is wrong in my book. Jay is a VFL. So are a lot of good ex-players who are not gonna be coaching at Tennessee in any given year.

Still hope CBJ can figure out a way to keep Jay. CBJ is one guy who figures things out quick. Will be interested in his response..... Let's bring Dale Jones back here as soon as we get a DEFENSIVE opening...

 

[volger]

Here's a question, can y'all name any running backs that were dominant while playing for Tennessee lately?

Arian Foster comes to mind.

 

[TNV]

If anyone knows Terry Fair I would bet that he has the full story. It would be interesting to hear it. If CJG left for a raise that we were able to match because 2 staff buyouts on the books the as a VFL CJG owes us an explaination that is if he is a true VLF. I would guess that it is like proball. If Indy trades Peyton to Denver then it is for a reason. Enquiring minds want to know????????

 

[crparker21]

Late to the meltdown, I just lost all respect for JG.

 

[volsbrock]

Not sure about all the uproar. He was just one of many pretty good RB's the Vols have had over the years and must have been a pretty good recruiter but I agree with all the posts of him not being able to bring in a RB. That should be his baby. He's hanging his hat on getting Lattimore to the Gamecocks but he was already a Carolina guy. Grew up there. Graham had many good days playing for the Vols but mainly because of his speed and strength. I don't think he was too disciplined of a back. Ran into the back of the line a lot. Don't remember many mentioning him lately either until we hired him. What I'm saying is there are many good candidates out there that can do the same job or better. FSU was probably more in his comfort zone scheme wise and with the raise and RB talent in Florida will be a good fit for him.

 

[RichRollin]

Not sure about all the uproar. He was just one of many pretty good RB's the Vols have had over the years and must have been a pretty good recruiter but I agree with all the posts of him not being able to bring in a RB. That should be his baby. He's hanging his hat on getting Lattimore to the Gamecocks but he was already a Carolina guy. Grew up there. Graham had many good days playing for the Vols but mainly because of his speed and strength. I don't think he was too disciplined of a back. Ran into the back of the line a lot. Don't remember many mentioning him lately either until we hired him. What I'm saying is there are many good candidates out there that can do the same job or better. FSU was probably more in his comfort zone scheme wise and with the raise and RB talent in Florida will be a good fit for him.

Say what you will about him leaving, but Jay Graham was a fantastic RB for Tennessee. I'm not sure how anyone could see it any other way....JMO

 

[volsbrock]

Say what you will about him leaving, but Jay Graham was a fantastic RB for Tennessee. I'm not sure how anyone could see it any other way....JMO

Not saying he wasn't, he was. We have had many. Just saying he was more of the type that did it on pure athletic ability. Sometimes the ones that have to do it by knowing systems better make better coaches. Not bashing him for leaving either. Think it's a great opportunity for him because of the reasons I stated earlier.

 

[G8R8U2]

Seemed to be a good position coach, but his recruiting was somewhat questionable. Despite having one of the best O-lines in the country and an opportunity for immediate playing time in the SEC, he failed to deliver a big-time RB to Tennessee in the last couple of years.

After a raise he was the second lowest paid guy on the staff. That's pretty sad IMO. There are others on the staff who haven't proven any more than him, I don't give a damn how many years they've coached. And you need to quit crying about him not landing a RB. It's not just his job to land a RB. Is it the DL coaches fault we didn't land Lawson? Is it Martinez's fault we didn't land Vonn Bell? You can't fault him for not landing a RB then give others a pass for not getting players of their position.

Anyone else not give a ****? I think he's a decent recruiter, but he obviously can't recruit running backs and/or coach them.

Why is everybody saying Graham didn't land a RB anyway?

I don't know about UT, but most programs I am familiar with don't have their position coaches solely recruiting players at that position. All the coaches responsible for recruiting have regions they're assigned to, not just players at certain positions.

And there's a reason for that, travel. You don't send a guy out on the road and have him criss-crossing the country recruiting only the players at the position that he would coach... that could have him going to a dozen different states just for 1 or 2 guys in each. You send him to Florida, or the Gulf Coast, or the Carolinas, or the Eastern seaboard.

I'm looking at who Graham landed this year...

Riley Ferguson QB 3* 6-2 190 4.8 1/11/2013 Matthews, NC

Malik Foreman ATH 3* 5-10 170 4.4 1/18/2013 Kingsport, TN

Paul Harris WR 4* 6-4 186 Upper Marlboro, MD

Jabo Lee RB 3* 5-10 180 4.4 Dillon, SC

Jaylen Miller DE 3* 6-3 265 4.98 1/18/2013 Gaffney, SC

Marquez North WR 4* 6-3 205 10/20/2012 Charlotte, NC

Jalen Reeves-Maybin ATH 4* 6-1 198 4.82 12/15/2012 Clarksville, TN

So, it looks like he landed 2 guys from Tennessee (who everybody probably works), 4 guys from the Carolinas, and 1 guy from Maryland. That probably consititutes a region.

8 of the other 12 guys he was recruiting were also from the Carolinas. Of the remaining 4 that weren't, 2 were RB's from Arkansas and Florida.

Looking at who he was responsible for, it looks like he wasn't even the primary recruiter for any of UT's top RB prospects except A.J. Turman, and he wasn't even that highly rated... in terms of rank and rating, he was 21st on UT's RB wish list.

If UT does it like everybody else, the program's best recruiter goes for the top guys, regardless of position. Meyer and Muschamp personally recruited all of UF's best blue-chip prospects.

 

[volsbrock]

Why is everybody saying Graham didn't land a RB anyway?

I don't know about UT, but most programs I am familiar with don't have their position coaches solely recruiting players at that position. All the coaches responsible for recruiting have regions they're assigned to, not just players at certain positions.

And there's a reason for that, travel. You don't send a guy out on the road and have him criss-crossing the country recruiting only the players at the position that he would coach... that could have him going to a dozen different states just for 1 or 2 guys in each. You send him to Florida, or the Gulf Coast, or the Carolinas, or the Eastern seaboard.

I'm looking at who Graham landed this year...

Riley Ferguson QB 3* 6-2 190 4.8 1/11/2013 Matthews, NC

Malik Foreman ATH 3* 5-10 170 4.4 1/18/2013 Kingsport, TN

Paul Harris WR 4* 6-4 186 Upper Marlboro, MD

Jabo Lee RB 3* 5-10 180 4.4 Dillon, SC

Jaylen Miller DE 3* 6-3 265 4.98 1/18/2013 Gaffney, SC

Marquez North WR 4* 6-3 205 10/20/2012 Charlotte, NC

Jalen Reeves-Maybin ATH 4* 6-1 198 4.82 12/15/2012 Clarksville, TN

So, it looks like he landed 2 guys from Tennessee (who everybody probably works), 4 guys from the Carolinas, and 1 guy from Maryland. That probably consititutes a region.

8 of the other 12 guys he was recruiting were also from the Carolinas. Of the remaining 4 that weren't, 2 were RB's from Arkansas and Florida.

Looking at who he was responsible for, it looks like he wasn't even the primary recruiter for any of UT's top RB prospects except A.J. Turman, and he wasn't even that highly rated... in terms of rank and rating, he was 21st on UT's RB wish list.

If UT does it like everybody else, the program's best recruiter goes for the top guys, regardless of position. Meyer and Muschamp personally recruited all of UF's best blue-chip prospects.

They do recruit by regions but you don't think he played a big role in trying to get Green and Ford to come here. Didn't see their names mentioned

 

[G8R8U2]

They do recruit by regions but you don't think he played a big role in trying to get Green and Ford to come here. Didn't see their names mentioned

That's my point; if their names aren't mentioned, he wasn't the primary recruiter for them.

Green and Ford were both very highly regarded RB's; so I'd imagine whoever UT's best recruiter is, that's probably who was after them.

Certainly once they get on campus for a visit, official or unofficial, they're going to spend much of their time talking to their potential position coach about what he might have planned for them.

But if those guys were high-value targets, it's likely they were the primary responsibility of whoever UT most trusts to attract the top talent, and who has the best record of doing so.

 

[Vol865]

Not what I wanted to see when coming to VN after a couple of days.....oh well, he's not the only recruiter and RBs coach out there
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[vol4life03]

It sounds as if he turned down cbj matching the money to stay at UT to go to Fsu if that is true then screw him!!!!!!! Also I know trooper brings baggage with him but if we could get him at least we could have a phenomenal recruiting class!! And maybe a Reuben foster transfer I kid I kid but he would almost guarantee getting us Hurd. Kelly jr and the Berry's so I would take him just to get them haha go vols

 

[Oskie Volum]

It sounds as if he turned down cbj matching the money to stay at UT to go to Fsu if that is true then screw him!!!!!!! Also I know trooper brings baggage with him but if we could get him at least we could have a phenomenal recruiting class!! And maybe a Reuben foster transfer I kid I kid but he would almost guarantee getting us Hurd. Kelly jr and the Berry's so I would take him just to get them haha go vols

The last thing we need is Trooper Taylor bring the NCAA with him. Dooley had to deal with them all the way up to end for goodness sake. Why invite them back on campus???? Everyone knows TT will bring them guaranteed. We'll be stuck with them for another 5 yrs.