Jeep Wrangler Unlimited - Any Owners?

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#179
Looking at front end options. Stubby recover bumper vs brush guard/light mount. If I go the recovery route, will prob put lights by the windshield just inside the rearview mirrors. Thoughts?
 

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#180
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landscapingvol said:
I can't and they have a horrendous track record for reliability and power. The only redeeming quality other than looks for the Jeep is it has a good resale value because Jeep owners belong to a brain washed cult that believes its crappyness makes it unique. My wife suckered me into test driving a four door one a few years back and the engine quit during the test drive with a 38k price tag :eek:lol:
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If you drove one of the four door models when they first came out that's probably why you think they have no power. Jeep made a mistake in putting that van motor in the first few years of the JK and it is well known that particular engine has issues.

The 4.0/4.2 liter motor are awesome motors. But they couldn't get the emissions down or the gas mileage up to meet the new standards and that's why Jeep went with a different engine.

A brain washed cult?? :lol: that's funny
 
#181
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kiddiedoc said:
Looking at front end options. Stubby recover bumper vs brush guard/light mount. If I go the recovery route, will prob put lights by the windshield just inside the rearview mirrors. Thoughts?
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Personally I like the one in the bottom picture. But I have never been a fan of the type in the top. I have the lights on the windshield frame and have been happy with that. When I go out in the woods they don't catch too much brush so I am not worried about them getting hit and breaking.
 
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#182
If you're in a wreck the brush guard will cause even more damage to your vehicle. Skip it and choose the full replacement if you're doing it. Also double check your suspension to make sure it can handle the additional weight. JMO based on experience with other trucks
 
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I'm going the opposite direction of kiddiedoc - I'm getting ready to sell mine to go back to a traditional convertible.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Really? Why the change of heart?
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Nerd-Vol said:
Zoom-zoom.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O0ikW7pVa_I

Out of curiosity, do you tend to change cars frequently?
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I went Jeep as a way to have convert that I could take my dog with and as an occasional off road vehicle. Turns out, my truck works better for the dog and is capable enough for any offroad I might do.

So while I like the Jeep, it's not really doing that much for me and a convertible would yield more excitement/driving fun.

Nerd, I do change vehicles with alarming frequency.

Currently I have a sedan, 4x4 truck and Jeep. The Jeep is expendable.
 
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volinbham said:
I went Jeep as a way to have convert that I could take my dog with and as an occasional off road vehicle. Turns out, my truck works better for the dog and is capable enough for any offroad I might do.

So while I like the Jeep, it's not really doing that much for me and a convertible would yield more excitement/driving fun.

Nerd, I do change vehicles with alarming frequency.

Currently I have a sedan, 4x4 truck and Jeep. The Jeep is expendable.
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Have you given consideration to leasing? My dad had a tendency to trade cars every 2-3 years. After a couple times he just switched to leasing and hasn't looked back.
 
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Nerd-Vol said:
Have you given consideration to leasing? My dad had a tendency to trade cars every 2-3 years. After a couple times he just switched to leasing and hasn't looked back.
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There are usually some pretty harsh mileage restrictions with leasing, aren't there?
 
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ACvol3 said:
There are usually some pretty harsh mileage restrictions with leasing, aren't there?
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Depends on the manufacturer. Most I think may be .30 a mile. But since it would be his 3rd car I couldn't imagine him going over 15,000 a year.
 
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Nerd-Vol said:
Have you given consideration to leasing? My dad had a tendency to trade cars every 2-3 years. After a couple times he just switched to leasing and hasn't looked back.
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Funny you ask - I just did my first lease this month. I dumped the S4 and leased a BMW 3 series.

This might explain me car habits - I've avoided leases because they keep me in a car too long...

I've owned cars as short as 2 months. My truck is currently the leader in the club house at just over 2 years. Longest recently held car was my old e30 BMW convertible that I had for almost 10 years.

Given I typically have 3 vehicles that I use in regular rotation, a lease for 10K miles annually was no issue.

The subsidized lease allowed me to put the BMW and the future Miata? in the garage for what I was paying for the S4.
 
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Nerd-Vol said:
Depends on the manufacturer. Most I think may be .30 a mile. But since it would be his 3rd car I couldn't imagine him going over 15,000 a year.
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For context - I went with 10k miles per year (better residual) and you can buy mile online prior to lease turn in for 16cents a mile if you need 'em.

I won't. I average 8K on my daily driver.
 
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volinbham said:
Funny you ask - I just did my first lease this month. I dumped the S4 and leased a BMW 3 series.

This might explain me car habits - I've avoided leases because they keep me in a car too long...

I've owned cars as short as 2 months. My truck is currently the leader in the club house at just over 2 years. Longest recently held car was my old e30 BMW convertible that I had for almost 10 years.

Given I typically have 3 vehicles that I use in regular rotation, a lease for 10K miles annually was no issue.

The subsidized lease allowed me to put the BMW and the future Miata? in the garage for what I was paying for the S4.
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That makes sense. If I didn't tend to hold on to cars for a long time. I would certainly lease.

I honestly wish more people would lease. Most folks tend to keep their cars well less than the 60 months that an average auto loan term. People get really upset when they realize they are upside down when it's time to trade.

As a salesperson I'm actually speaking against my own interest as leases tend to be less profitable. But I feel like there are a lot of people out there who should give real consideration to a lease.
 
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Nerd-Vol said:
That makes sense. If I didn't tend to hold on to cars for a long time. I would certainly lease.

I honestly wish more people would lease. Most folks tend to keep their cars well less than the 60 months that an average auto loan term. People get really upset when they realize they are upside down when it's time to trade.

As a salesperson I'm actually speaking against my own interest as leases tend to be less profitable. But I feel like there are a lot of people out there who should give real consideration to a lease.
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For me, a lease makes sense IF it is subsidized (high residual and/or low MF) and you are going to change cars. Otherwise it's a wash.

A nice feature with BMW leases is you can buy down the MF with multiple security deposits. Translates to about an 11 - 15% annual rate of return on your money if you let BMW hold it instead of your bank.
 
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volinbham said:
For me, a lease makes sense IF it is subsidized (high residual and/or low MF) and you are going to change cars. Otherwise it's a wash.

A nice feature with BMW leases is you can buy down the MF with multiple security deposits. Translates to about an 11 - 15% annual rate of return on your money if you let BMW hold it instead of your bank.
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I don't want to clutter up the jeep thread with more questions non jeep related. Meet me in the automotive thread.
 
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#198
Warming up to the LED floods. How 'bout this one?
 

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