Jerome Dews commits to UT

#77
#77
Not impressed with the kid's offer list and before I get blasted, don't give me the garbage about CBJ this and CBJ that...... I heard that noise for 3 years about Dooley.

The last time I checked it was appropriate to have differing opinions about a recruit or a commitment. In fact even the most heralded college football coaches disagree on the talent levels of various recruits. Maybe this guy turns out to be a great player for UT and maybe not. But his offer is nothing to write home about.
 
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patrick said:
Not impressed with the kid's offer list and before I get blasted, don't give me the garbage about CBJ this and CBJ that...... I heard that noise for 3 years about Dooley.

The last time I checked it was appropriate to have differing opinions about a recruit or a commitment. In fact even the most heralded college football coaches disagree on the talent levels of various recruits. Maybe this guy turns out to be a great player for UT and maybe not. But his offer is nothing to write home about.
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Thrasher865 said:
Yes, let's point out some anomalies that clearly indicate we should take every 2* recruit we can get our hands on!

Pure brilliance from the VN elite.
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please point out where I said we should take every 2 star.

My point was if CBJ thinks this guy could be a help to the program then get off his back because he only has 2 stars.
 
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ric1958 said:
please point out where I said we should take every 2 star.

My point was if CBJ thinks this guy could be a help to the program then get off his back because he only has 2 stars.
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This site is plagued with the fallacy of the excluded middle. They think that only extremes exist and seek to prove their extreme position by setting it beside the other extreme.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
This site is plagued with the fallacy of the excluded middle. They think that only extremes exist and seek to prove their extreme position by setting it beside the other extreme.
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:confused:

Any time someone says anything negative about a recruit, someone has to pop in and say "so and so only had 2 stars coming out of high-school" like that somehow validates taking any 2*

The fact is, NOBODY else wants him, so I'm gonna hold back my excitement over this commitment.

Carry on with your feel-good kumbaya moment.
 
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Thrasher865 said:
:confused:

Any time someone says anything negative about a recruit, someone has to pop in and say "so and so only had 2 stars coming out of high-school" like that somehow validates taking any 2*

The fact is, NOBODY else wants him, so I'm gonna hold back my excitement over this commitment.

Carry on with your feel-good kumbaya moment.
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The fact that other 2* commits have flourished proves that star ratings are not guarantees. Thus, the balanced opinion would be "It's not out of the question that he is talented. Looks like our coach saw something in him."

This balanced position is reinforced by the reports that he blew up UT's camp. That would indicate that he is, indeed, talented, and has been overlooked by the recruiting services and rival coaches.

I have seen no one in here guarantee his success. Most especially, I have not seen anyone here use his 2* rating as a guarantee for his success. So, your above-mentioned post was a fallacy of the excluded middle, and a very poor attempt at one to boot.

So, feel free to carry on, blind to your fallacious logic.

:hi:
 
#85
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patrick said:
Not impressed with the kid's offer list and before I get blasted, don't give me the garbage about CBJ this and CBJ that...... I heard that noise for 3 years about Dooley.

The last time I checked it was appropriate to have differing opinions about a recruit or a commitment. In fact even the most heralded college football coaches disagree on the talent levels of various recruits. Maybe this guy turns out to be a great player for UT and maybe not. But his offer is nothing to write home about.
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Well, Pat Rick, this is Volnation. Some say we're a country, some say we're an inter-dimensional portal. And some say we're morbidly nuts. All three are probably true. In any case, we're a democratic entity infested with the republican virus. Which means you can have opinion. You can also be beaten with verbal clubs wrapped in barb wire like the rest of us for having an opinion. Or even for not having an opinion.

That being said, until you present credentials proving otherwise, you're not qualified to determine a recruit's potential. Nor have had the privilege of doing so. So why should we take your Dews putdown post serious?

However, I did say we're democratic (to varying degrees) so I vote that you stand mid-field. Dews steps back 15 yards and takes a full speed shot at you. If you get up, shake the dust from your booty, produce a snot-free booger, and exhibit no bruise or pain from the hit, I for one will agree with your post, Pat Rick.
 
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Thrasher865 said:
:confused:

Any time someone says anything negative about a recruit, someone has to pop in and say "so and so only had 2 stars coming out of high-school" like that somehow validates taking any 2*

The fact is, NOBODY else wants him, so I'm gonna hold back my excitement over this commitment.

Carry on with your feel-good kumbaya moment.
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Yeah let me add to that. Didn't CBJ recruit a 2 star that was picked no 1 in the draft? Yes we can use that its called an inductive argument. Its not as strong as a deductive argument but its valid to support their argument. In other words you can't say this kid wont blow up at some point. He's 16 years old and who knows what happens after this. He could shoot up to 4/5 star status in no time. Not saying that's going to happen. Your argument doesn't hold.
 
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darkgable said:
Yeah let me add to that. Didn't CBJ recruit a 2 star that was picked no 1 in the draft? Yes we can use that its called an inductive argument. Its not as strong as a deductive argument but its valid to support their argument. In other words you can't say this kid wont blow up at some point. He's 16 years old and who knows what happens after this. He could shoot up to 4/5 star status in no time. Not saying that's going to happen. Your argument doesn't hold.
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So out of the hundreds of 2* recruits Butch has recruited, one wound up being drafted highly. Great odds!

Don't worry, I know how this site operates. The fact is, our recruiting class is filling up FAST, and it's still only June. Anybody who is willing to accept this empty offer list 2* over a potential 3 or 4 star, simply because "sometimes 2*'s pan out" simply doesn't understand statistics.

But of course, when the class fills up, and we still have 4* recruits interested, he will probably be asked to look around, at which point you and lots of others will proudly declare that he was never going to see the field. So none of this will matter in the end.

But just because I have been beaten down by false hope and diminishing expectations doesn't mean I should try to pull the rest of you out of the clouds and back down to reality.

Carry on.
 
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Thrasher865 said:
So out of the hundreds of 2* recruits Butch has recruited, one wound up being drafted highly. Great odds!

Don't worry, I know how this site operates. The fact is, our recruiting class is filling up FAST, and it's still only June. Anybody who is willing to accept this empty offer list 2* over a potential 3 or 4 star, simply because "sometimes 2*'s pan out" simply doesn't understand statistics.

But of course, when the class fills up, and we still have 4* recruits interested, he will probably be asked to look around, at which point you and lots of others will proudly declare that he was never going to see the field. So none of this will matter in the end.

But just because I have been beaten down by false hope and diminishing expectations doesn't mean I should try to pull the rest of you out of the clouds and back down to reality.

Carry on.
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You haven't posted reality once. Reality is that some folks on here think it plausible that his 2* rating is low because he hasn't camped or played the political game to get noticed. Reality is that he has been reported to have blown up UT's camp and blown our coaches away. Reality is that many have posted that his offer is conditional, and that if we run out of spots, he will be asked to grey-shirt (he's 16 and a year ahead in school).

The reality is that you have misrepresented peoples' arguments and thus aren't the best measure of "reality".

You final paragraph, admitting that you "have been beaten down by false hope and diminishing expectations" also calls your idea of 'reality' into question.

Carry on.
 
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Because it's so frequently reported on VN: "Butch Jones offers 2* recruit. Said to have looked lackluster in camp. Expected to be roster filler."

A Vol coach can do no wrong. Until he's fired, of course. At that point, every decision he ever made as HC is called into question.
 
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Thrasher865 said:
Because it's so frequently reported on VN: "Butch Jones offers 2* recruit. Said to have looked lackluster in camp. Expected to be roster filler."

A Vol coach can do no wrong. Until he's fired, of course. At that point, every decision he ever made as HC is called into question.
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Ah... Perhaps we're onto the crux of the disagreement.

Questioning decisions after results... Novel approach, friend.

:hi:
 
#91
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ITSGR82BATNVOL said:
Show me a Dooley recruit that had 14 sacks his junior year or any year period. Take your time looking, you're gonna need it.
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Allen Carson, a 2 star Dooley recruit had nine sacks his junior year - (it took me five minutes to find him).
 
#92
#92
You mean before results? It is a novel concept... around here. Never question the coaching staff.
 
#93
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darkgable said:
Yeah let me add to that. Didn't CBJ recruit a 2 star that was picked no 1 in the draft? Yes we can use that its called an inductive argument. Its not as strong as a deductive argument but its valid to support their argument. In other words you can't say this kid wont blow up at some point. He's 16 years old and who knows what happens after this. He could shoot up to 4/5 star status in no time. Not saying that's going to happen. Your argument doesn't hold.
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So let's go recruit all 2 and 3 star players. And let's cut Hurd and TK Jr. loose - Who the heck needs a bunch of 4 and 5 star recruits. And CBJ should stop recruiting Dillon Bates ASAP - we don't need any 5 star players here at UT!!!!
 
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Thrasher865 said:
You mean before results? It is a novel concept... around here. Never question the coaching staff.
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No... I mean after results-- questioning decisions after the results of the decision have been seen. It's a reasonable approach by people who are removed from the situation and uninformed of the details that initiated the decision.

Then there's you.

:hi:
 
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patrick said:
So let's go recruit all 2 and 3 star players. And let's cut Hurd and TK Jr. loose - Who the heck needs a bunch of 4 and 5 star recruits. And CBJ should stop recruiting Dillon Bates ASAP - we don't need any 5 star players here at UT!!!!
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Oh look... Another 'fallacy of the excluded middle'!

Slug bug!
 
#96
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Orange_Crush said:
No... I mean after results-- questioning decisions after the results of the decision have been seen. It's a reasonable approach by people who are removed from the situation and uninformed of the details that initiated the decision.

Then there's you.

:hi:
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(As opposed to anyone that is blindly optimistic. They get a pass on their passing of judgement prior to results)

You heard the man, Freak. Let's shut this place down until February, and then we can reopen so we can all discuss how positive/negative the season was. No point in looking ahead or ever questioning decisions.

This is a brilliant idea. Discussion boards are outdated. We will have the first ever "sports reflection board."
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Oh look... Another 'fallacy of the excluded middle'!

Slug bug!
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Ok lets talk about results then...

Alabama has been out recruiting just about every program in college football under Saban's leadership.

Saban recruiting rankings per Rivals while at Alabama:

2006 11th
2007 10th
2008 1st
2009 1st
2010 5th
2011 1st
2012 1st

Alabama record under Saban:

2007 7-6
2008 12-2
2009 14-0 NATL CHAMP
2010 10-3
2011 12-1 NATL CHAMP
2012 13-1 NATL CHAMP

Pretty incredible results by any standard.
 
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Thrasher865 said:
(As opposed to anyone that is blindly optimistic. They get a pass on their passing of judgement prior to results)

You heard the man, Freak. Let's shut this place down until February, and then we can reopen so we can all discuss how positive/negative the season was. No point in looking ahead or ever questioning decisions.

This is a brilliant idea. Discussion boards are outdated. We will have the first ever "sports reflection board."
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There's that fallacy of the excluded middle again. .. because someone defends the validity of their rationale, you go to the extreme of closing the board down. You are free to think and post any way you want. Part of the beauty of this board is that you should do so expecting to hear when you are doing so illogically.
 
#99
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patrick said:
Ok lets talk about results then...

Alabama has been out recruiting just about every program in college football under Saban's leadership.

Saban recruiting rankings per Rivals while at Alabama:

2006 11th
2007 10th
2008 1st
2009 1st
2010 5th
2011 1st
2012 1st

Alabama record under Saban:

2007 7-6
2008 12-2
2009 14-0 NATL CHAMP
2010 10-3
2011 12-1 NATL CHAMP
2012 13-1 NATL CHAMP

Pretty incredible results by any standard.
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Bama has neither all 2* nor all 5* recruits, so those stats would support the middle ground that your fallacy tried to negate.

It just goes to show that you can win championships with some lower stars on the team. Thanks for proving our point.
 
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