Jesus' tomb found?

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therealUT said:
When was the last time the authenticity of Christianity was questioned by CNN, MSNBC, FNC, etc.?

Reporting and making commentaries about "Jesus Freaks" is not questioning the authenticity of Christianity.
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This is a daily occurence. Maybe not directly, but it is regularly implied that the Christian right are little more than blinded, fringe clowns. To carry that to its logical conclusion would lead you to the fact that the media is an overwhelmingly agnostic beast. I'm not arguing that they should be any different, but they do go out of their way to belittle Christianity at every turn. If Christianity were the minority religion in the USA, the media would be picking on another. The driver for many jumping into broadcast journalism is to help the little guy. Hence, they tend to abuse the big guy at every turn. In America, that means debasing the Christians and propping up most other religious groups.
 
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By the way, the couple that brought this topic up in the first place also explained the Exodus on the History Channel a few months back.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
This is a daily occurence. Maybe not directly, but it is regularly implied that the Christian right are little more than blinded, fringe clowns. To carry that to its logical conclusion would lead you to the fact that the media is an overwhelmingly agnostic beast. I'm not arguing that they should be any different, but they do go out of their way to belittle Christianity at every turn. If Christianity were the minority religion in the USA, the media would be picking on another. The driver for many jumping into broadcast journalism is to help the little guy. Hence, they tend to abuse the big guy at every turn. In America, that means debasing the Christians and propping up most other religious groups.
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I am going to go out on a limb and state that many on the vocal Christian Right deserve the backlash they receive in the media. Since when is questioning "One nation, under God", prayer time in public schools, and/or wishing people a "Happy Holiday", undermining the authenticity of Christianity?

When is questioning the literalness of the KJV Bible an act of trying to undermine the authenticity of Christianity, when the KJV itself undermines the authenticity of Christianity?
 
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therealUT said:
I am going to go out on a limb and state that many on the vocal Christian Right deserve the backlash they receive in the media. Since when is questioning "One nation, under God", prayer time in public schools, and/or wishing people a "Happy Holiday", undermining the authenticity of Christianity?

When is questioning the literalness of the KJV Bible an act of trying to undermine the authenticity of Christianity, when the KJV itself undermines the authenticity of Christianity?
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I love the first paragraph, we really need to start a conversation about the second paragraph.
 
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Yes, I should probably remove the second paragraph. It is indeed incredibly harsh, and for the most part, uncalled for.

As you know, OE, from countless discussions in here, it bothers me not what creed one follows, as long as they are decent.
 
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therealUT said:
So, you are upset because a religious quote was taken out of a speech to be given by a representative of a government institution?

You are also upset because someone was allowed to practice their faith, without interfering with any other faiths?
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Yeah, probably the difference is that ******** in that scenario is not acting with the imprimatuer of governmental authority. There is, however, no doubt that the anti-establishment clause has been twisted into something quite different from what the framers, or even people 50 years ago, ever intended. I see how both sides have a legitimate beef.
 
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therealUT said:
Yes, I should probably remove the second paragraph. It is indeed incredibly harsh, and for the most part, uncalled for.

As you know, OE, from countless discussions in here, it bothers me not what creed one follows, as long as they are decent.
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I think we are pretty close in thought on a lot of things.
 
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It is hard for me to engage in a legitimate discussion about Civil Rights, Church and State, etc. with someone who just typed and posted the words "********" on a public forum.
 
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therealUT said:
It is hard for me to engage in a legitimate discussion about Civil Rights, Church and State, etc. with someone who just typed and posted the words "********" on a public forum.
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And with that, I am out for the day. Have to turn some weapons back in to the arms room before COB...I have not yet cleaned mine.
 
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I didn't realize we were debating undermining the authenticity of Christianity.

So, the Christian right deserve the backlash because why? Their politics reflects their beliefs? So be it, everyone else is exactly the same, right or not. I often think they render themselves meaningless in the public debate because of their stands, but they are doing what they believe in. Often being extreme is the only way to have a voice here and they fit that bill as well. They are really no different than any other large group trying to sway the views of Americans, including the media.

Questioning is never undermining, unless the questioner is seen as something of an authority, which, in America, is unfortunately true of broadcasters. I think people should constantly question. I think the news media should raise questions, but do so without taking sides in the debate, which is no longer the case. The mainstream media has clearly taken a side in the debate.

What does the KJV have to do with this? It is a politicized version of the Bible, intended to slant it as much as possible to support the Monarchy's view of the world. No debate there.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I didn't realize we were debating undermining the authenticity of Christianity.

So, the Christian right deserve the backlash because why? Their politics reflects their beliefs? So be it, everyone else is exactly the same, right or not. I often think they render themselves meaningless in the public debate because of their stands, but they are doing what they believe in. Often being extreme is the only way to have a voice here and they fit that bill as well. They are really no different than any other large group trying to sway the views of Americans, including the media.

Questioning is never undermining, unless the questioner is seen as something of an authority, which, in America, is unfortunately true of broadcasters. I think people should constantly question. I think the news media should raise questions, but do so without taking sides in the debate, which is no longer the case. The mainstream media has clearly taken a side in the debate.

What does the KJV have to do with this? It is a politicized version of the Bible, intended to slant it as much as possible to support the Monarchy's view of the world. No debate there.
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You have missed some great debates about the KJV.

Some on the board getting a little testy.......:thumbsup:
 
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When has any one ever taken any one serious on this board??????

Especially on a Thursday?

:run:
 
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In MaconGa, they had Thirsty Thursday at Luther Williams ballpark in the 90s. I assume it's still happening. They even had pitchers.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I didn't realize we were debating undermining the authenticity of Christianity.

So, the Christian right deserve the backlash because why? Their politics reflects their beliefs? So be it, everyone else is exactly the same, right or not. I often think they render themselves meaningless in the public debate because of their stands, but they are doing what they believe in. Often being extreme is the only way to have a voice here and they fit that bill as well. They are really no different than any other large group trying to sway the views of Americans, including the media.

Questioning is never undermining, unless the questioner is seen as something of an authority, which, in America, is unfortunately true of broadcasters. I think people should constantly question. I think the news media should raise questions, but do so without taking sides in the debate, which is no longer the case. The mainstream media has clearly taken a side in the debate.

What does the KJV have to do with this? It is a politicized version of the Bible, intended to slant it as much as possible to support the Monarchy's view of the world. No debate there.
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i agree with you even the Bible says we are to question and test all things to see if it goes hand in hand with God's word.
The reason I brought this stuff up is because nothing has been proven by the film makers yet every news outlet rushes on air and says this could shatter the CORE of christianity and change beliefs that have been held for 2,000 years.
 
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Let me pose this question to you. If Jesus had a wife and a child, would it make him less godly? Would his miracles be less miraculous? Would his sermons be less divine?
 
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Why? If he is truly man and truly God, then why would it matter that his human body remained behind? Why can't human writers have been wrong about some aspects, yet have captured the bigger picture? To say the Bible is 100% divine, would be to say that those who wrote it were divine.
 
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Nothing is going to change my beliefs, so for me it's not going to change anything. Everything you ask could be true, it just comes down to what you choose to believe. My point was these film makers don't have 100% proof nor will they be able to but while watching cnn i heard the anchors saying this could shatter christian beliefs and so on. This doesn't keep happening for the other religions of the world like it does with christianity.
 
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JZVOL said:
Nothing is going to change my beliefs, so for me it's not going to change anything. Everything you ask could be true, it just comes down to what you choose to believe. My point was these film makers don't have 100% proof nor will they be able to but while watching cnn i heard the anchors saying this could shatter christian beliefs and so on. This doesn't keep happening for the other religions of the world like it does with christianity.
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You don't have 100% proof of your beliefs either. In fact, you will not have 100% proof while you are alive. So, why are you taking issue with someone's attempt to earn a living?
 
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therealUT said:
You don't have 100% proof of your beliefs either. In fact, you will not have 100% proof while you are alive. So, why are you taking issue with someone's attempt to earn a living?
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That has nothing to do with anything i'm talking about.

As I have said no other religion is attacked and questioned in the media like christianity. Almost anytime someone someone finds something that might undermine christianity the media latches onto it but that does not happen for other religions. When islam is talked about it is terrorism and its role in islam not wether muhammed was who he said he was and if the koran is fact or just stories.
 
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other thing selling drugs or doing something harmful i have no problem with what people do to make a living.
 
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