Jesus' tomb found?

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JZVOL said:
That has nothing to do with anything i'm talking about.

As I have said no other religion is attacked and questioned in the media like christianity. Almost anytime someone someone finds something that might undermine christianity the media latches onto it but that does not happen for other religions. When islam is talked about it is terrorism and its role in islam not wether muhammed was who he said he was and if the koran is fact or just stories.
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No other religion claims that God made himself man, was born of a non divine human, lived among the poor for 33 years, and then this God, the ultimate being, was crucified.

There is a lot to be skeptical about when it comes to Christianity. I also believe that being the target of all the skeptics is addressed in the Bible...
 
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It would be a tad bit difficult to start a religion based on a man's resurrection from the dead and the claim that He ascended bodily into the heavens if he lived in the same town, married with kids. Someone would likely have pointed out that fact to the men making the claim of resurrection and ascension.
 
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volinasheville said:
It would be a tad bit difficult to start a religion based on a man's resurrection from the dead and the claim that He ascended bodily into the heavens if he lived in the same town, married with kids. Someone would likely have pointed out that fact to the men making the claim of resurrection and ascension.
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I firmly believe in the Virgin Birth, the Crucifixion, the Resurrection, and the Ascension. However, it is not sacreligious to bear in mind that 25 years of Jesus' life are unaccounted for. Never in person does he make any statement saying he is a bachelor and that he is childless (anything and everything about being a Eunich comes from Paul...who wrote everything from revelations to him by God.) The Ascension could easily be allegorical, as are the creation stories.

If positive proof was shown that Jesus did in fact have a wife, sire a child, and his humanly body remained behind, as the rest of ours do, it would crush your faith. It would in no way affect mine.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
This is a daily occurence. Maybe not directly, but it is regularly implied that the Christian right are little more than blinded, fringe clowns.
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If they didn't have idiots like Pat Robertson wanting leaders of other countries assassinated, or Ted Haggard railing against homosexuality while he's been slipping and getting him a little slob on the knob, or Falwell making an international incident because Wal Mart wishes their customers happy holidays instead of merry X-mas, then the media wouldn't have to point out that they are a bunch of blinded, fringe clowns.
 
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if any man lo even an angel from heaven tells you anything differant than what is written in these scriptures let him be accursed.....Jesus Christ. if men ridicule you or make all manner of fun of you or persecute you because of believing in me consider it a blessing. Christians have always been subject to ridicule from those that despise the teachings of Christ. not all that claim to be Christian are Christian. just like not all Muslims are true Muslims. these terrorists' that we are at war with are not Muslims. that is the same thing as members of the KKK claiming to be Christian. Christianity is not a belief made up of facts it is a religion of faith. i dont have to lay my eye's on Jesus to know that he is real and that he is the true son of God. i know this in my heart and soul. the scriptures say that we are more blessed because we have not seen but still believe. i feel sorry for mr. cameron. ive always enjoyed his movies. dening Christ is his choice as well as anyone else who chooses to not believe that Jesus is the son of God. he will bow and confess as will myself and everyone else on judgement day. i hope and pray he will see the error of his ways and will repent and become a follower of Christ.
 
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therealUT said:
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If positive proof was shown that Jesus did in fact have a wife, sire a child, and his humanly body remained behind, as the rest of ours do, it would crush your faith. It would in no way affect mine.
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Glad to know you know so much about my faith. I only pointed out the illogic of the idea that Jesus continued to live when they were proclaiming a resurrection. This really isn't a statement about faith but about logic.

The kerygmatic proclamation of the apostles never indicates an allegorical resurrection, therefore they would have been open to public ridicule if they made claims of a physical ascension while Jesus was living and procreating around Jerusalem which is where the tomb is said to be located and where the apostles were making these claims.
 
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I agree with you. My beliefs aside, after they crucified Christ don't you think they would have kept his body on display for all to see so they could ridicule those that followed him? I doubt they would have just thrown his body aside and forgotten about it. They could have prevented his teachings from spreading and turned Him into just another crazy man claiming to be God.
 
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Funny, I talk about the Ascension being allegorical and both responses focus solely on the Resurrection.
 
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well who cares about the Ascension if He wasn't Resurrected? He would be just like every other person.
 
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I re-read it and your right i guess i was just agreeing with what the other poster was saying. Enjoyed the discussion though I always enjoy tough questions because it helps me search for why i believe what i believe.
 
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JZVOL said:
i agree with you even the Bible says we are to question and test all things to see if it goes hand in hand with God's word.
The reason I brought this stuff up is because nothing has been proven by the film makers yet every news outlet rushes on air and says this could shatter the CORE of christianity and change beliefs that have been held for 2,000 years.
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So be it. If Christianity can't truly hold up under the weight of intense scrutiny, then all Christians have some serious issues to work through. Why not let them beat on that door? What's the harm? Faith should tell you that they're never going to find the answer they seek and the bible has told us that we will feud with naysayers until judgment.
 
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therealUT said:
Let me pose this question to you. If Jesus had a wife and a child, would it make him less godly? Would his miracles be less miraculous? Would his sermons be less divine?
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It would make his story, as told by the Bible, more mythological and less meaningful to me, no doubt about it. I'm not suggesting the Bible's a perfect book, but I do believe that the larger themes of the book are correct. The fact that an omnipotent God would let "his" book propagate to the degree that it has with an error this meaningful, would be a serious problem for me.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
If they didn't have idiots like Pat Robertson wanting leaders of other countries assassinated, or Ted Haggard railing against homosexuality while he's been slipping and getting him a little slob on the knob, or Falwell making an international incident because Wal Mart wishes their customers happy holidays instead of merry X-mas, then the media wouldn't have to point out that they are a bunch of blinded, fringe clowns.
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Pretending that the groups the press continually gives free pass to do not have more public face lunatics than the religious right is just stupid. Heard of Farrakhan, Jesse Jackson, the ACLU?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Pretending that the groups the press continually gives free pass to do not have more public face lunatics than the religious right is just stupid. Heard of Farrakhan, Jesse Jackson, the ACLU?
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What's wrong with the ACLU, aside from the fact that they're willing to stand up fot the little guy?
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
You guys don't like them because they stand up to the x-ians trying to ram their religion down everyone's throat.
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Naw, my beef with them is promoting video taping police officers while performing their duties.

Yeah it sounds all nice and well but what you catch on camera will be misinterpreted as police brutality and lack of professionalism.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
You guys don't like them because they stand up to the x-ians trying to ram their religion down everyone's throat.
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I couldn't care less about their stand on Christianity. It's the way they support their ludicrous positions as defending the constitution when the Constitution is silent on the vast majority of their "issues" that gets me. In fact most of their "issues" are only issues because they have poured enormous amounts of money into publicity campaigns making them such.

I actually agree with some of their positions, but they've made themselves as fringe as their arch nemesis, the Christian right, by making mountains of mole hills.

Finally, wanting to burn the flag in public makes an American an ingrate, not a little guy.
 
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it seems like all this kind of stuff always stems from california. the whole hollywood thing with all these celebrities thinking they know whats best for the whole country. they get all this attention because of who they are and its like anything that comes out of their mouths about 30% of the population thinks its fact. men like james cameron probably dont have a clue who Jesus is. it wasnt so long ago when these same celebrities were all over Mel Gibson and his movie THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST. then when Mel gets pulled over drunk and says some mean things about Jews then all these hollywood people and the news media are crawling all over him. its a double standard out in california and anyone with an ounce of common sense can see it. we Christians are not perfect but we can be forgiven for our wrong doings.
 
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