Jesus' tomb found?

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#77
where was the ACLU when Mel Gibsons freedom of speech rights were being violated? nobody was upset with Mel for driving drunk they were only upset because he said some bad things about Jews and the media and hollywood couldnt stand it. same thing with Kramer from Seinfeld. where was the ACLU then??????
 
#79
#79
I would imagine that James Cameron is well read on who Jesus Christ was. I also cannot imagine anyone defending Mel Gibson's anti-semetic rant.
 
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melissa hyberger said:
where was the ACLU when Mel Gibsons freedom of speech rights were being violated? nobody was upset with Mel for driving drunk they were only upset because he said some bad things about Jews and the media and hollywood couldnt stand it. same thing with Kramer from Seinfeld. where was the ACLU then??????
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One thing I do agree with them about is taking up the fight for those whom they agree with that can not afford to keep up the fight or cannot properly execute the fight. Mel does not in any way fit that mold.
 
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#82
OrangeEmpire said:
Naw, my beef with them is promoting video taping police officers while performing their duties.

Yeah it sounds all nice and well but what you catch on camera will be misinterpreted as police brutality and lack of professionalism.
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We get to see that every week on Cops.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I couldn't care less about their stand on Christianity. It's the way they support their ludicrous positions as defending the constitution when the Constitution is silent on the vast majority of their "issues" that gets me. In fact most of their "issues" are only issues because they have poured enormous amounts of money into publicity campaigns making them such.
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Alot of their issues involve government institutions endorsing religion in some way, and the constitution is most certainly not silent on that.
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I actually agree with some of their positions, but they've made themselves as fringe as their arch nemesis, the Christian right, by making mountains of mole hills.
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I agree with that somewhat
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Finally, wanting to burn the flag in public makes an American an ingrate, not a little guy.
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Yes, but it is also an act of free speech. One of the great things about America is the right to speak out against the government, even by burning the flag and pissing everyone off.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
Alot of their issues involve government institutions endorsing religion in some way, and the constitution is most certainly not silent on that.

I agree with that somewhat

Yes, but it is also an act of free speech. One of the great things about America is the right to speak out against the government, even by burning the flag and pissing everyone off.
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Is supporting the atheists somehow non-religious? That's just absurd. The constitution clearly separates church and state, but was never intended to outlaw religion or force private individuals / organizations to keep their religion veiled as the ACLU is pushing for today.
I'm all for free speech, but that doesn't make the act of practicing it honorable or defendable in all circumstances. The ACLU could remain silent on that issue, as they do any time a child wears a bible verse on a shirt yet gets kicked out of school. The white knight doesn't show up for that occasion, but does for the flag burner. That bias?
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
And I really don't have a problem with individual christians, but with the church as an institution.
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Why would the church as an institution bother you? They certainly don't wield the power that the courts do and are not nearly as arbitrary. The church is simply practicing free speech, except the courts have severely curtailed their ability to do so in recent times, unless they're muslim or hindi. Wasn't it you just telling me that our nation's greatness at least partially lies in our right to free speech.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Is supporting the atheists somehow non-religious? That's just absurd. The constitution clearly separates church and state, but was never intended to outlaw religion or force private individuals / organizations to keep their religion veiled as the ACLU is pushing for today.
I'm all for free speech, but that doesn't make the act of practicing it honorable or defendable in all circumstances. The ACLU could remain silent on that issue, as they do any time a child wears a bible verse on a shirt yet gets kicked out of school. The white knight doesn't show up for that occasion, but does for the flag burner. That bias?
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I have no problem with private individuals practicing their religion in any way they choose. I do have a problem with institutions of the government on any level endorsing religion. I haven't heard of any instances of private individuals being denied the right to practice their beliefs, nor have I heard of the ACLU trying to push for such a thing.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Why would the church as an institution bother you? They certainly don't wield the power that the courts do and are not nearly as arbitrary. The church is simply practicing free speech, except the courts have severely curtailed their ability to do so in recent times, unless they're muslim or hindi. Wasn't it you just telling me that our nation's greatness at least partially lies in our right to free speech.
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How have the courts curtailed the ability of the church to speak freely? I have no problem with any person or group exercising their right to free speech, even a fringe wacko like Fred Phelps. I have a problem with the churches using politicians to force their morality down the throats of others who don't share their values.
 
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#92
MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
I have no problem with private individuals practicing their religion in any way they choose. I do have a problem with institutions of the government on any level endorsing religion. I haven't heard of any instances of private individuals being denied the right to practice their beliefs, nor have I heard of the ACLU trying to push for such a thing.
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It's not a matter of their inability to practice their beliefs. The fact is that the outward display of Christianity or mention of it has become taboo and even punishable. That's just silly. If I'm the valedictorian and want to thank God in my valedictory address, I should be able to. If you haven't heard of anything of this nature, then you don't pay attention. But, I should expect that out of someone wrapped up tight with the press and their secular agenda.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
It's not a matter of their inability to practice their beliefs. The fact is that the outward display of Christianity or mention of it has become taboo and even punishable. That's just silly. If I'm the valedictorian and want to thank God in my valedictory address, I should be able to. If you haven't heard of anything of this nature, then you don't pay attention. But, I should expect that out of someone wrapped up tight with the press and their secular agenda.
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I've never heard of a single person being punished for practicing their beliefs, unless you are counting some fringe group like the Branch Davidians, and I really don't see how it could be considered taboo since the majority of the population consider themselves to be Christian.

As far as a valedictorian making a speech, I don't believe it is banned for him to acknowledge God in some way. I would say it is up to the administration of the school to decide.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
I've never heard of a single person being punished for practicing their beliefs, unless you are counting some fringe group like the Branch Davidians, and I really don't see how it could be considered taboo since the majority of the population consider themselves to be Christian.

As far as a valedictorian making a speech, I don't believe it is banned for him to acknowledge God in some way. I would say it is up to the administration of the school to decide.
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Again, you don't pay attention. The schools have decided and they dictate that the speaker can not speak about God.
 
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