Jim McElwain has been fired (confirmed)

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AM64 said:
Compromise is easier and a lot of time less costly than proving cause.
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Given the mutual parting was settled in a matter of hours, and McElwain reportedly agreed to accept only a third of his contracted buyout, I'd say UF had more than enough dirt to move forward with a legal battle if McElwain decided to go that route.
 
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jakez4ut said:
really impressed the AD's press conference. said a lot, w/out saying much directly if you're paying attention.

if i were a FL fan, i'd have a good feeling about what will happen next.
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That press conference was my first good look at Stricklin, and he was impressive.

To your point, he left some things unspoken that you could easily read between the lines.

I laughed when he described Mullen as "direct". I guess it's bad form to call Mullen an a-hole, in spite of just about everyone in Gainesville thinking he was an a-hole when he was our OC under Meyer.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Given the mutual parting was settled in a matter of hours, and McElwain reportedly agreed to accept only a third of his contracted buyout, I'd say UF had more than enough dirt to move forward with a legal battle if McElwain decided to go that route.
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i think that if you can go from rumors on Friday, to "mutually agreed upon agreement" to no longer coach on Sunday, i'd say things set up well for UF admin, and both parties got what they wanted.

Mac gets out like he wanted, and gets $4m to just go away, and UF got off a lot cheaper than it was facing, and they get the jump on UT, ARK, Ole MIss, etc......hiring a new coach and staff for the money they'll likely have to spend will be a pill much easier to swallow now that they saved probably close to $10M in all the buyouts....

at this rate, i won't be surprised if UF has a coach hired before we actually get around to deciding to fire Butch.

we're probably trying to do the same thing (save buyout $$), but we're having to wait to see if he can get to that magical 7th loss.
 
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AM64 said:
Compromise is easier and a lot of time less costly than proving cause.
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Yes, I agree there the problem is - based on the article it doesn't sound like they have an agreement in principle. Its probably just a poorly written article but at the end of the day, if Florida doesn't have an agreement - the for cause already went out the window, if it even existed to start with.

If I were the Shark Lover, I would take $8-9m no offset on future earnings... call it a day.
 
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jakez4ut said:
i think that if you can go from rumors on Friday, to "mutually agreed upon agreement" to no longer coach on Sunday, i'd say things set up well for UF admin, and both parties got what they wanted.

Mac gets out like he wanted, and gets $4m to just go away, and UF got off a lot cheaper than it was facing, and they get the jump on UT, ARK, Ole MIss, etc......hiring a new coach and staff for the money they'll likely have to spend will be a pill much easier to swallow now that they saved probably close to $10M in all the buyouts....

at this rate, i won't be surprised if UF has a coach hired before we actually get around to deciding to fire Butch.

we're probably trying to do the same thing (save buyout $$), but we're having to wait to see if he can get to that magical 7th loss.
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Sounds like a win-win to me. :)
 
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OldandStillaVol said:
Maybe he feels he has accomplished what he can at Miss. State and wants a more difficult challenge (e.g. win a National Championship)? Sure, he could try and do it at Miss. State but the chances are higher at UF. He's 45 now which seems like a good time to make a final move in the college head coaching business.
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Why would anyone take the job when they are currently making more and there is no pressure? And where the other party is suspect at best to try and get out of a contract? They have basically ran the last 2 guys out of town, 1 of them 4 months after signing an extension.

Okay, say he is making $5-5.5m over the next 4 years for not having to win - the price tag would have to be in the $7-8m to even consider making the move. imo So, who is going to give a $70m contract to a guy that has a losing conference record and is way under in his division?
 
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IMO, this will not turn out well for UF. Two SEC East championships then canning mid season after a bad loss mid season sends a bad message to any potential coach. This isnt Jeremy Foley's department now, an AD who had a knack of hiring good coaches. This was a huge gamble for Stricklin. He hires the right coach then he looks like a genius for cutting his losses. Hires anything less and he's an idiot for for firing a coach that won the East twice and got canned at the first sign of trouble.
 
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GetEmVols said:
That is how you run an administration. Bet they make a hire within a week.
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No they won't unless its Chip Kelly...They won't hire a new coach most likely until the end of the season...No coach is going to leave its program in the middle of the season to go coach another team unless they aren't coaching like Kelly.
 
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ru4real-really? said:
I call BS on this!
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They better have an agreement in place because the contract appears (I'm skimming the original contract right now) to contain quite a few steps they might need to go through to actually terminate him for cause including but not limited to providing a hearing and written notice.

The biggest thing is they really don't have "cause" which is why they let this week's game play out, if he were just a normal employee or if he was winning, nobody would care.
 
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So McElwain (16-8 in the SEC, 2 East titles) gets canned while Sumlin (24-21), Jones (14-23), and Bielema (11-26) are all still employed.

What a time to be alive.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
He isn't completely blameless for credit card fraud suspensions either, as it happened under his watch.

There was also the weird press conference where he said a player was injured (Goolsby?), followed by the player tweeting the injury was "news to him". Bizarre.

The fake death threat allegations was the cherry on top of a season long $h!t sundae.
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And I thought it was because he picked the wrong tie. Gotta quit watching those commercials.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
They better have an agreement in place because the contract appears (I'm skimming the original contract right now) to contain quite a few steps they might need to go through to actually terminate him for cause including but not limited to providing a hearing and written notice.

The biggest thing is they really don't have "cause" which is why they let this week's game play out, if he were just a normal employee or if he was winning, nobody would care.
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They let this week play out sure but McElwaine knew he was done before the game started I promise you that
 
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bamawriter said:
So McElwain (16-8 in the SEC, 2 East titles) gets canned while Sumlin (24-21), Jones (14-23), and Bielema (11-26) are all still employed.

What a time to be alive.
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While I am sure Florida waa not exactly happy with him, McElwain wanted out and Florida had dirt on him.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Well he can double as the mascot, so win-win.
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bamawriter said:
So McElwain (16-8 in the SEC, 2 East titles) gets canned while Sumlin (24-21), Jones (14-23), and Bielema (11-26) are all still employed.

What a time to be alive.
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Part of me thinks this is how a program that expects to win makes decisions.

The other part of me thinks this makes UF look petty and unattractive to coaches.

Not sure where I stand yet.
 
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bamawriter said:
So McElwain (16-8 in the SEC, 2 East titles) gets canned while Sumlin (24-21), Jones (14-23), and Bielema (11-26) are all still employed.

What a time to be alive.
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2 of the 3, and maybe all three, it's just a matter of time.

i know we're collectively freaking out here because Jones hasn't been fired yet.

but he's gonna get fired. him not being fired has no bearing on due diligence being done behind the scenes.

the only real advantage FL has right now is that they can openly discuss the position because it's open, and they can communicate with players, and recruits about it. less cloak and dagger involved.

but if you're replacement can't be announced until after the season, and that's likely to be the case in all of these situations, not sure how much of an advantage it really is.

they all have some level of baggage that needs to be "defended".
 
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99gator said:
There are 2 scenarios regarding death threats.

1. He flat out lied. And there is cause stemming from the lie in terms of damage to the university.

2. He didn't lie. He failed to report the matter to university officials when supposedly students received the threats. Then, when questioned, did not cooperate with details.

There's cause
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Both are very flimsy scenarios , where is there damage to the UofF......pay him, if you don't want him....Tennessee is to cheap to pay Butch off
 
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Elite coaches are not scared to get fired . Only coaches that know there is little chance of success care
 
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Forever151 said:
Elite coaches are not scared to get fired . Only coaches that know there is little chance of success care
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Getting fired in year 3 after winning 2 divisional titles will concern any and every coach. As a fan I love it cause I want my program to expect nothing short of a championship standard. But I doubt any coach would like it.

I can see a hot coach with options looking at other elite schools over Florida after what happened with McElwain. This could back fire big time on Florida.
 
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