JJJ nears top 10 career rebounding...

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pimo1 said:
I think JJJ plays a role most can't appreciate. He is a glue guy. Crucial on the floor but his impact is often not obvious in the box score. If this team goes far in the tourney he deserves as much credit as anyone because he is the core of the culture and honestly the defense.
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There is a difference in acknowledging that he plays an important role on the team and trying creating a narrative that he is a great all time rebounder. The OP failed to mention the number of games involved. It's the elephant in the room and has to be mentioned. It forces the reader to state the obvious. One poster mentioned that he is the only guard on the list and that was a great point. He probably is an all time great in terms of rebounding guards/wings and that's a fair narrative to create for him.
 
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ColinS said:
There is a difference in acknowledging that he plays an important role on the team and trying creating a narrative that he is a great all time rebounder. The OP failed to mention the number of games involved. It's the elephant in the room and has to be mentioned. It forces the reader to state the obvious. One poster mentioned that he is the only guard on the list and that was a great point. He probably is an all time great in terms of rebounding guards/wings and that's a fair narrative to create for him.
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Check my post about it.
 
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pimo1 said:
JJJ is a definite VFL but, not to be a hater there will be an asterisk involved. All of those guys did this in 3-4 played seasons. JJJ has played 5 seasons. J/S
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He played fewer games in 5 seasons than Chism played in 4.
 
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ColinS said:
There is a difference in acknowledging that he plays an important role on the team and trying creating a narrative that he is a great all time rebounder. The OP failed to mention the number of games involved. It's the elephant in the room and has to be mentioned. It forces the reader to state the obvious. One poster mentioned that he is the only guard on the list and that was a great point. He probably is an all time great in terms of rebounding guards/wings and that's a fair narrative to create for him.
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I didn't read anything about him being a "great all time rebounder". I read that he's creeping into the top ten, which is impressive regardless of your usual negative spin
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
I didn't read anything about him being a "great all time rebounder". I read that he's creeping into the top ten, which is impressive regardless of your usual negative spin
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You don't think that it should at least be mentioned? What if some five year decent but not great Miss St guy broke one of Bernard's records or moved ahead of him on one of these list. Everybody in this thread including you and me would be jumping all over it.
 
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If James can get a double double or close to every game going forward, it improves our chances of winning dramatically
 
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ColinS said:
There is a difference in acknowledging that he plays an important role on the team and trying creating a narrative that he is a great all time rebounder. The OP failed to mention the number of games involved. It's the elephant in the room and has to be mentioned. It forces the reader to state the obvious. One poster mentioned that he is the only guard on the list and that was a great point. He probably is an all time great in terms of rebounding guards/wings and that's a fair narrative to create for him.
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The elephant was addressed. You missed the game count, the injuries, and the fact that he played outside. He can potentially enter the top five depending on game count.
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
The elephant was addressed. You missed the game count, the injuries, and the fact that he played outside. He can potentially enter the top five depending on game count.
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He’s totally ignoring it in favor if a lazy narrative. Because it takes time to do actual research.
 
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Kicker82 said:
If James can get a double double or close to every game going forward, it improves our chances of winning dramatically
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He doesn't even have to do that. Just be a confident and competent offensive player. He does the other parts of basketball well. I'm perfectly cool with a 9 and 7 night from him if he's at least looking to be an offensive threat and not disappearing.
 
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OrangeInKy said:
JJJ played over 60 fewer games than Chism. Has played 11 more than Victor. How does getting one more year give him the chance to play twice as many games as 3-4 year guys? Stokes played only 84 games so that’s the most impressive one on the list imo, in terms of a short career here. JJJ being a 5 year guy hasn’t even played twice as many games as a 2.5 year guy. People fort how injuries affected him much if his career before this year. I’ve been looking at minutes per game, games played, rebounds per game for people on the list, and JJJ fares well especially for his position. No “but he’s a 5th year guy” qualifiers are necessary and it’s just a dumb narrative, if you’re into facts and actual data.
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Great point. People don’t remember just how many games JJJ has missed to injury in his first 4 years. We’ve been lucky that he has stayed healthy this year. His number of games played don’t reflect that of someone who has played 5 years.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
Great point. People don’t remember just how many games JJJ has missed to injury in his first 4 years. We’ve been lucky that he has stayed healthy this year. His number of games played don’t reflect that of someone who has played 5 years.
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Ol’ Colin keeps ignoring it. He said JJJ has played “probably twice as many games as the other guys in the list.”
I can’t stand when people throw junk like that out without even bothering to do any research.
 
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OrangeInKy said:
Ol’ Colin keeps ignoring it. He said JJJ has played “probably twice as many games as the other guys in the list.”
I can’t stand when people throw junk like that out without even bothering to do any research.
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It's guess but consider guys in the 70's for instance probably ended the season with less than 30 games. Now they play 35 or more. That adds up to nearly a whole extra season by itself. Add in a 5th year and it's way more games. Subtract for injury. I will give you that. It ends up being an apples to oranges comparison and frankly isn't worth mentioning. Not sure why I've spent this much time on this as it is and dang sure aint gonna do a bunch of research on it.
 
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ColinS said:
It's guess but consider guys in the 70's for instance probably ended the season with less than 30 games. Now they play 35 or more. That adds up to nearly a whole extra season by itself. Add in a 5th year and it's way more games. Subtract for injury. I will give you that. It ends up being an apples to oranges comparison and frankly isn't worth mentioning. Not sure why I've spent this much time on this as it is and dang sure aint gonna do a bunch of research on it.
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I quite literally did the math for you. Bernard was here 3 seasons and played 81 games. JJJ hasn’t played twice that. He’s also a guard.

you admit you’d rather just spit factually incorrect garbage so you can dog a great and impressive achievement by our player than know what you’re talking about. At least you’re honest.
 
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Ok, I decided to do 5 minutes of research. Fair enough to call me out on that. I randomly chose a player I knew nothing about. I chose Carl Widseth. In four full years he played 88 games for UT. In JJJs first four season he played in 108 games. He's currently at 137 and will finish hopefully at around 147. That's a 59 game difference over a guy that played out his full eligibility. That's like two extra seasons instead of one.
 
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ColinS said:
Ok, I decided to do 5 minutes of research. Fair enough to call me out on that. I randomly chose a player I knew nothing about. I chose Carl Widseth. In four full years he played 88 games for UT. In JJJs first four season he played in 108 games. He's currently at 137 and will finish hopefully at around 147. That's a 59 game difference over a guy that played out his full eligibility. That's ike two extra seasons instead of one.
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And Wayne Chism, who is 4th on this list played 142 career games. You’re not wrong that most on this list have played more games than JJJ. But you’re using to discount his impact, particularly when he’s rebounding as a guard and not as a true frontcourt player like the rest of these guys.

The numbers are impressive regardless of how many games he will end up playing.
 
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ColinS said:
Ok, I decided to do 5 minutes of research. Fair enough to call me out on that. I randomly chose a player I knew nothing about. I chose Carl Widseth. In four full years he played 88 games for UT. In JJJs first four season he played in 108 games. He's currently at 137 and will finish hopefully at around 147. That's a 59 game difference over a guy that played out his full eligibility. That's like two extra seasons instead of one.
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Is that twice as much? Good on you for doing a little research. We are getting somewhere. Maybe a simple “man, that’s a great accomplishment for JJJ considering his position and the injury issues he’s dealt with throughout his career” would have been a better response to the OP.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
And Wayne Chism, who is 4th on this list played 142 career games. You’re not wrong that most on this list have played more games than JJJ. But you’re using to discount his impact, particularly when he’s rebounding as a guard and not as a true frontcourt player like the rest of these guys.

The numbers are impressive regardless of how many games he will end up playing.
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More games isn’t what he said, he said “probably twice as much”.
 
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ColinS said:
You don't think that it should at least be mentioned? What if some five year decent but not great Miss St guy broke one of Bernard's records or moved ahead of him on one of these list. Everybody in this thread including you and me would be jumping all over it.
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All I saw was JJJ nearing a top ten list. As to your other comment, I don't really care about all time records just for the simple fact that some players play longer than others. No one mentioned breaking a record
 
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ColinS said:
There is a difference in acknowledging that he plays an important role on the team and trying creating a narrative that he is a great all time rebounder. The OP failed to mention the number of games involved. It's the elephant in the room and has to be mentioned. It forces the reader to state the obvious. One poster mentioned that he is the only guard on the list and that was a great point. He probably is an all time great in terms of rebounding guards/wings and that's a fair narrative to create for him.
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I think he is an all-time great period...He will probably end up one of the most underrated players in UT history as far as his impact on the teams he played for and the culture he helped build.
 
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OrangeInKy said:
JJJ also missed alot of time due to injury before this season. He was criticized a lot for it on here, so I’m surprised people forgot. I’d be curious to see how many rebounds per game for each player. I think JJJ is around 6 per game for his career which is impressive for his position and with nagging injuries. Chism, for example, played a lot more games than JJJ has played(Chism played 213, and JJJ played 137 so far) averaged almost the same amount of rebounds per game than JJJ, and was a post player with about 3 inches on JJJ, so I think the “took him 5 years” dig is dumb.

Also, Yarbrough played 127 games here, 9 fewer than JJJ so far. Pretty impressive.
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213? Chism played in 142 games.
 
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OrangeInKy said:
Is that twice as much? Good on you for doing a little research. We are getting somewhere. Maybe a simple “man, that’s a great accomplishment for JJJ considering his position and the injury issues he’s dealt with throughout his career” would have been a better response to the OP.
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Not far off. It's is a great accomplishment but it does need a little context.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
213? Chism played in 142 games.
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Yeah, my bad. 213 is impossible even for a 5 year guy. Got it from ESPN. Still, JJJ’s tbh average is barley below Chism and he’s played fewer games in 5 years and Chism did in 4. The point is still valid.
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