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[pimo1]

I would give Awaka some of his minutes at the 4… he’s a reliable rebounder and will get you 2 or 3 buckets inside.His free throw percentage has improved if I’m not mistaken as well.Mashack is also an option.

If Awaka is taking JJJ's minutes at the 4 who is backing up Aidoo when they both foul out? We have literally 2 big men Awaka and Aidoo. JJJ plays there out of necessity. Awaka have AIdoo play about as many minutes as they can play already because they are both foul-prone.

 

[Franklin_Vol09]

He never disappears from rebounding and defense.

He definitely did vs TAMU

 

[sami]

When JJJ is getting into the paint for that short jumper or going to the rim, he is a very effective offensive player with his athleticism. It's when he's camped out at the 3 pt. line that's the issue due to the inconsistency. I'd rather have him at the dunker spot and crashing the boards, especially if he's the small ball 5. He brings a ton to the team defensively, or Barnes wouldn't have him out there.

The days of career VFL's is numbered in football and basketball, and I hate seeing a guy who has been this loyal to the program and a team leader being trashed so routinely.

 

[CAVPUT]

If Awaka is taking JJJ's minutes at the 4 who is backing up Aidoo when they both foul out? We have literally 2 big men Awaka and Aidoo. JJJ plays there out of necessity. Awaka have AIdoo play about as many minutes as they can play already because they are both foul-prone.

I'll drop some pics of Dillione and Jefferson about this time next season.

 

[walkenvol]

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I'll drop some pics of Dillione and Jefferson about this time next season.

Why would you drop a picture of a talented fat ass who can’t play D and is a poor rebounder due to his inability to quickly move all that extra lard. In spite of himself, he’s still a gifted scorer in the post at times. He’s a starting center in the ACC who grabs a whopping 4 rebounds and blocks 1/2 a shot per game. Can you imagine him trying to play Tennessee’s switching defense against screens on the perimeter.

 

[CAVPUT]

Why would you drop a picture of a talented fat ass who can’t play D and is a poor rebounder due to his inability to quickly move all that extra lard. In spite of himself, he’s still a gifted scorer in the post at times. He’s a starting center in the ACC who grabs a whopping 4 rebounds and blocks 1/2 a shot per game. Can you imagine him trying to play Tennessee’s switching defense against screens on the perimeter.

pimo was talking about a backup for Aidoo when Awaka was forced to spell JJJ. We could have had Burns in that role but he and Barnes are oil and water I guess. And in case you haven't noticed, we're seeing our typical fade and the defensive numbers are slipping. And you can't tell me that defense is a criteria for playing time when Barnes continues to give Gainey the number of minutes he is. That's simply hypocritical.

 

[walkenvol]

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pimo was talking about a backup for Aidoo when Awaka was forced to spell JJJ. We could have had Burns in that role but he and Barnes are oil and water I guess. And in case you haven't noticed, we're seeing our typical fade and the defensive numbers are slipping. And you can't tell me that defense is a criteria for playing time when Barnes continues to give Gainey the number of minutes he is. That's simply hypocritical.

You are missing the point - Burns cannot play in Tennessee’s switching defense. For Burns to see the court at Tennessee, the entire defensive strategy must change. It would be impossible to play “fast” on the offensive end as we’ve been doing this year so the offensive strategy would also have to change. He also provides very limited rim protection.

What he does quite well is receive the ball in the post where he has some effective moves and a very soft shot from in close. He’s also an adept passer from the post when double teamed.

Unfortunately, he’s a one trick pony due to his terrible conditioning. As a coach you can’t build a culture on the athletes being in great shape in order to play top 10 defense and then give playing time to someone who won’t buy in to that culture. Estrella has shown the ability to play within our defensive strategy and competently swing on screens so I’d much rather have him than Burns myself.

I watched a few minutes of the NC St vs Wake this weekend. there was one play where Burns went to the floor on offense and it was sad to see a 23 year old D1 athlete having to roll over to his belly and push himself up off the floor with his hands like a 60 year old person with bad knees. That guy will weigh 400+ within 10 years.

 

[CAVPUT]

You are missing the point - Burns cannot play in Tennessee’s switching defense. For Burns to see the court at Tennessee, the entire defensive strategy must change. It would be impossible to play “fast” on the offensive end as we’ve been doing this year so the offensive strategy would also have to change. He also provides very limited rim protection.

What he does quite well is receive the ball in the post where he has some effective moves and a very soft shot from in close. He’s also an adept passer from the post when double teamed.

Unfortunately, he’s a one trick pony due to his terrible conditioning. As a coach you can’t build a culture on the athletes being in great shape in order to play top 10 defense and then give playing time to someone who won’t buy in to that culture. Estrella has shown the ability to play within our defensive strategy and competently swing on screens so I’d much rather have him than Burns myself.

I watched a few minutes of the NC St vs Wake this weekend. there was one play where Burns went to the floor on offense and it was sad to see a 23 year old D1 athlete having to roll over to his belly and push himself up off the floor with his hands like a 60 year old person with bad knees. That guy will weigh 400+ within 10 years.

On the contrary, I see your point, but again...Gainey. If it's all about defense, how do you justify the high number of minutes for him? Oh...I get it, he's an offensive threat....but isn't that what stands out about Burns? Wait...Gainey doesn't start, but isn't that what we're discussing about Burns as a backup to Aidoo? Somehow we manage to function defensively with Gainey getting 20 minutes, but we couldn't do that with Burns? Don't get me wrong, I'd much prefer Estrella over Burns. Just pointing out the hypocrisy that we can't play guys who can't or won't play defense to the level Barnes demands. That's patently false and Gainey is proof. Still, we can agree to disagree. What baffles me is that we have two exceptional athletes, who appear to be in tremendous physical condition btw, that appear destined for the portal (IMO) and one or both might turn out to be pretty good college players that we've spent nearly 2 years trying to develop and they can't get a few minutes in blowouts or when guys are tired, in foul trouble or injured? How do guys develop if they never see the floor? Practice is great, but there's nothing like a live game in front of crowds. If those guys haven't picked up the "scheme" coming up on 2 years in the program....geez.

 

[walkenvol]

On the contrary, I see your point, but again...Gainey. If it's all about defense, how do you justify the high number of minutes for him? Oh...I get it, he's an offensive threat....but isn't that what stands out about Burns? Wait...Gainey doesn't start, but isn't that what we're discussing about Burns as a backup to Aidoo? Somehow we manage to function defensively with Gainey getting 20 minutes, but we couldn't do that with Burns? Don't get me wrong, I'd much prefer Estrella over Burns. Just pointing out the hypocrisy that we can't play guys who can't or won't play defense to the level Barnes demands. That's patently false and Gainey is proof. Still, we can agree to disagree. What baffles me is that we have two exceptional athletes, who appear to be in tremendous physical condition btw, that appear destined for the portal (IMO) and one or both might turn out to be pretty good college players that we've spent nearly 2 years trying to develop and they can't get a few minutes in blowouts or when guys are tired, in foul trouble or injured? How do guys develop if they never see the floor? Practice is great, but there's nothing like a live game in front of crowds. If those guys haven't picked up the "scheme" coming up on 2 years in the program....geez.

Comparing Burns to Gainey is disingenuous. Gainey like Knecht, has improved defensively throughout the season. Gainey can switch on screens and play within our defensive strategy same as our other players. He’s averaging 1.4 steals per game and regularly deflects passes leading to turnovers. Gainey isn’t an athletic liability.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

DJ Burns DBPM would literally rank worst on our team and twice as bad as Gainey’s, what a terrible take.

 

[CAVPUT]

DJ Burns DBPM would literally rank worst on our team and twice as bad as Gainey’s, what a terrible take.

No idea what DBPM stands for, but if it's a defensive measurable and I'm sure it is measurable since you used the word "literally", can you provide the numbers for Burns vs Gainey on that one? Even if it is "literally" double, there's an offensive component that you can't ignore. Let's be fair and real. If Knecht weren't the offensive juggernaut he is, do you think his defense would measure up to Barnes standards? Why is it defense first, last and always? Folks always harp on that end and while it's important, the offensive side is just as important to the success of a team. I'd counter that with the offensive comparison between the two. Gainey is giving 7.5 ppg and 2 rpg. Burns isn't "literally" double in scoring avg..close tho, but he's "literally" more than double the rebounds. And I do recognize that Gainey is a perimeter player vs a post player so rebounding would naturally be skewed toward Burns but Burns also has more assists, too. Gainey has 30 ast in 23 games while Burns has 61 ast in 24 games. Minutes Burns 25.4 mpg. Gainey 19.2mpg so I think it's a reasonably fair comparison. How's my take looking now?

 

[VolFreakJosh]

No idea what DBPM stands for, but if it's a defensive measurable and I'm sure it is measurable since you used the word "literally", can you provide the numbers for Burns vs Gainey on that one? Even if it is "literally" double, there's an offensive component that you can't ignore. Let's be fair and real. If Knecht weren't the offensive juggernaut he is, do you think his defense would measure up to Barnes standards? Why is it defense first, last and always? Folks always harp on that end and while it's important, the offensive side is just as important to the success of a team. I'd counter that with the offensive comparison between the two. Gainey is giving 7.5 ppg and 2 rpg. Burns isn't "literally" double in scoring avg..close tho, but he's "literally" more than double the rebounds. And I do recognize that Gainey is a perimeter player vs a post player so rebounding would naturally be skewed toward Burns but Burns also has more assists, too. Gainey has 30 ast in 23 games while Burns has 61 ast in 24 games. Minutes Burns 25.4 mpg. Gainey 19.2mpg so I think it's a reasonably fair comparison. How's my take looking now?

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[GoodTimeVol]

No idea what DBPM stands for, but if it's a defensive measurable and I'm sure it is measurable since you used the word "literally", can you provide the numbers for Burns vs Gainey on that one? Even if it is "literally" double, there's an offensive component that you can't ignore. Let's be fair and real. If Knecht weren't the offensive juggernaut he is, do you think his defense would measure up to Barnes standards? Why is it defense first, last and always? Folks always harp on that end and while it's important, the offensive side is just as important to the success of a team. I'd counter that with the offensive comparison between the two. Gainey is giving 7.5 ppg and 2 rpg. Burns isn't "literally" double in scoring avg..close tho, but he's "literally" more than double the rebounds. And I do recognize that Gainey is a perimeter player vs a post player so rebounding would naturally be skewed toward Burns but Burns also has more assists, too. Gainey has 30 ast in 23 games while Burns has 61 ast in 24 games. Minutes Burns 25.4 mpg. Gainey 19.2mpg so I think it's a reasonably fair comparison. How's my take looking now?

Have you actually watched DJ Burns play? He wouldn’t even be able to pass Barnes cardio test or practices let alone play in a game for him because of how bad of shape he was and still is in.

 

[knoxvol52]

Burns transferred out because Barnes told him needed to get into better shape.

We see how that has worked out.
Three or four trips up an down the floor and Burns is gassed and that's being nice ..

 

[cncchris33]

No idea what DBPM stands for, but if it's a defensive measurable and I'm sure it is measurable since you used the word "literally", can you provide the numbers for Burns vs Gainey on that one? Even if it is "literally" double, there's an offensive component that you can't ignore. Let's be fair and real. If Knecht weren't the offensive juggernaut he is, do you think his defense would measure up to Barnes standards? Why is it defense first, last and always? Folks always harp on that end and while it's important, the offensive side is just as important to the success of a team. I'd counter that with the offensive comparison between the two. Gainey is giving 7.5 ppg and 2 rpg. Burns isn't "literally" double in scoring avg..close tho, but he's "literally" more than double the rebounds. And I do recognize that Gainey is a perimeter player vs a post player so rebounding would naturally be skewed toward Burns but Burns also has more assists, too. Gainey has 30 ast in 23 games while Burns has 61 ast in 24 games. Minutes Burns 25.4 mpg. Gainey 19.2mpg so I think it's a reasonably fair comparison. How's my take looking now?

Defensive Box Plus/Minus, which essentially is a weighted metric that demonstrates the number of defensive points per 100 possessions that a player contributes above a league-average player. Offensive Box Plus/Minus is the same metric for offensive production.

Defensive BPM
Gainey is 3.1
Burns is 1.5

Offensive BPM
Gainey is 0.5
Burns is 1.6

Overall BPM
Gainey is 3.6
Burns is 3.1

That metric is weighted to account for position and team so it's a more fair metric to use than trying to compare points, rebounds, assists, etc, which don't account for pace, number of possessions, etc.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

No idea what DBPM stands for, but if it's a defensive measurable and I'm sure it is measurable since you used the word "literally", can you provide the numbers for Burns vs Gainey on that one? Even if it is "literally" double, there's an offensive component that you can't ignore. Let's be fair and real. If Knecht weren't the offensive juggernaut he is, do you think his defense would measure up to Barnes standards? Why is it defense first, last and always? Folks always harp on that end and while it's important, the offensive side is just as important to the success of a team. I'd counter that with the offensive comparison between the two. Gainey is giving 7.5 ppg and 2 rpg. Burns isn't "literally" double in scoring avg..close tho, but he's "literally" more than double the rebounds. And I do recognize that Gainey is a perimeter player vs a post player so rebounding would naturally be skewed toward Burns but Burns also has more assists, too. Gainey has 30 ast in 23 games while Burns has 61 ast in 24 games. Minutes Burns 25.4 mpg. Gainey 19.2mpg so I think it's a reasonably fair comparison. How's my take looking now?

See Chris’ post ^^^

 

[CAVPUT]

Defensive Box Plus/Minus, which essentially is a weighted metric that demonstrates the number of defensive points per 100 possessions that a player contributes above a league-average player. Offensive Box Plus/Minus is the same metric for offensive production.

Defensive BPM
Gainey is 3.1
Burns is 1.5

Offensive BPM
Gainey is 0.5
Burns is 1.6

Overall BPM
Gainey is 3.6
Burns is 3.1

That metric is weighted to account for position and team so it's a more fair metric to use than trying to compare points, rebounds, assists, etc, which don't account for pace, number of possessions, etc.

Learned something. Thanks. As for Gainey, I get it. He's not fat and tries really hard on defense. Plus, on occasion, he can go off offensively. Barnes is gonna do what he feels is best. Can't argue with a HOF coach and I'm not. Just hope he's right about Dillione and Jefferson. Hey, maybe they stick around or we use their spots in the portal.

 

[CAVPUT]

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Debate team? Pre-law?