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In mathematical or physical terms inflation is an expansion of the money supply and deflation is a contraction of the money supply. Those are very simple explanations. You can have speculative bubbles that are a product of inflation and an expansion of the money supply. Think of the money supply as a big balloon the size of the planet Earth. Assume it has a smooth surface and you can either let air in or out of the balloon. As the balloon shrinks or swells based upon money supply this is either deflation or inflation. Now suppose the surface is not smooth but marked by mountains and valleys on the surface. For instance the whole ball can be deflating but a mountain can be springing up locally on its surface. This would represent a speculative bubble in an overall deflationary environment. This mathematical definition of inflation or deflation is only a product of social mood. Inflation occurs because social mood is net positive or deflation occurs because social mood is net negative. Those are the root causes.
 
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Gramps said:
This Week in Washington

This is a link to an email I received from Congressman Roe this morning. Hopefully this bill may help people retrain for jobs of the future. Bravo to Congress.
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Why the bravo Gramps? You should know better. Get Congress out of the private sector. Any jobs, skills, etc. bill is a waste of taxpayer money. They need to stop "investing" money they don't have, didn't earn, and don't know what the hell to do with. When Congress "invests" in something, rest assured it will be bureaucratic, wasteful, mismanaged, and it will never produce a quality product. Look what they did to education and health care. Government schools suck because they're run by government.
 
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Gannon Goodson said:
Why the bravo Gramps? You should know better. Get Congress out of the private sector. Any jobs, skills, etc. bill is a waste of taxpayer money. They need to stop "investing" money they don't have, didn't earn, and don't know what the hell to do with. When Congress "invests" in something, rest assured it will be bureaucratic, wasteful, mismanaged, and it will never produce a quality product. Look what they did to education and health care. Government schools suck because they're run by government.
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This bill will help retrain people for the jobs of today and tomorrow that yes the private sector creates. It is much cheaper to retrain than to leave someone on welfare. This is the ONLY action that congress has done in several years that will help put people back to work, imo. I put down Congress regularly, this is one action that I do appauld them for doing.
 
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Gramps said:
This bill will help retrain people for the jobs of today and tomorrow that yes the private sector creates. It is much cheaper to retrain than to leave someone on welfare. This is the ONLY action that congress has done in several years that will help put people back to work, imo. I put down Congress regularly, this is one action that I do appauld them for doing.
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It's not the government's (our) job to retrain or to continue to hand out welfare checks. You continue to believe that enabling people is some big benefit to society. There's just not any government spending except military spending that you're not in favor of. You're a died in the wool statist Gramps.
 
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Sandvol said:
It's not the government's (our) job to retrain or to continue to hand out welfare checks. You continue to believe that enabling people is some big benefit to society. There's just not any government spending except military spending that you're not in favor of. You're a died in the wool statist Gramps.
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Oh come on. Even I as a constitutional libertarian can see the good in welfare and societal safety nets if implemented properly. The problems with them aren't that they exist. It's that they're too easily abused and don't promote moving upward.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
Oh come on. Even I as a constitutional libertarian can see the good in welfare and societal safety nets if implemented properly. The problems with them aren't that they exist. It's that they're too easily abused and don't promote moving upward.
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Where in the Constitution does it talk about safety nets?
 
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Gramps said:
This bill will help retrain people for the jobs of today and tomorrow that yes the private sector creates. It is much cheaper to retrain than to leave someone on welfare. This is the ONLY action that congress has done in several years that will help put people back to work, imo. I put down Congress regularly, this is one action that I do appauld them for doing.
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This bill won't retrain anyone. It's simply another feel-good bill -- and a waste of money.
 
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Gannon Goodson said:
The Constitution is dead, dead, dead. It is NOT a living document. Seriously, where are you guys learning this shat?
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It's definitely on life support, at the very least. Those we've given power of attorney are recommending we go ahead and pull the plug to be done with it.
 
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Vol8188 said:
You do know the constitution can be amended, correct?
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Do you understand the amendment process? The Constitution isn't a software program that can be changed by inserting a few lines of new code here and there.

I believe there is a need for social safety nets but I don't think they should be provided by the federal government. Social welfare, including unemployment and job training should be state and local level expenditures.
 
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MG1968 said:
Do you understand the amendment process? The Constitution isn't a software program that can be changed by inserting a few lines of new code here and there.

I believe there is a need for social safety nets but I don't think they should be provided by the federal government. Social welfare, including unemployment and job training should be state and local level expenditures.
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The simple fact that an amendment process does exist, means this is a living document.

And the majority of "welfare" is state based. Which I agree with.
 
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Vol8188 said:
The simple fact that an amendment process does exist, means this is a living document.

And the majority of "welfare" is state based. Which I agree with.
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No, it doesn't. The argument between a living and dead document refers to it's interpretation. People who argue it's living (dangerous liberals) say it should be interpreted (not amended) to reflect the times. The living argument is why the radical Left feels the 2nd Amendment is outdated. We don't need a militia because we have a military and police force. The Constitution is dead (what people like me understand) because it's not open to manipulation depending on the century. It means what it says, written in plain English. That's why it's a dead document.

I knew my A.B. in history would serve me well at some point in the future.
 
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Vol8188 said:
You do know the constitution can be amended, correct?
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That in no way implies it is a living document.

Yes it can be amended through a very hard process, the original language of the document means what it means!
 
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hog88 said:
That in no way implies it is a living document.

Yes it can be amended through a very hard process, the original language of the document means what it means!
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Well, no, not really, you just think it means that, but we think it means something else and you're wrong.

(giving my liberal hat a workout today)
 
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Grand Vol said:
Well, no, not really, you just think it means that, but we think it means something else and you're wrong.

(giving my liberal hat a workout today)
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You need more conviction plus you didn't call me a bigot or mention the Tea Party.

Needs more work.
 
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Sandvol said:
It's not the government's (our) job to retrain or to continue to hand out welfare checks. You continue to believe that enabling people is some big benefit to society. There's just not any government spending except military spending that you're not in favor of. You're a died in the wool statist Gramps.
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You don't know what you are talking about. You ***** about people not working and being on assistance then when the congress does a bill that will help retrain people to go to work_ you ***** about that. This bill has the potential to get people off assistance and into the job market where they will be contributing instead of taking. That is a good thing, anyone with an iq of 80 would realize that. I have posted several times I have no problem in helping people but I think there should be a time limit put on the help, require the people getting help to retrain for a job then cut them off.
I am not against military spending, never have been. Find any post I have ever made saying I was against military spending. There was a thread a few months ago discussing the government trimming back on troops due to technology advances. I did say I can understand that we do not need as many troops, I much rather send a dhrone than put our troops in dangerous situation.
 
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Gramps said:
You don't know what you are talking about. You ***** about people not working and being on assistance then when the congress does a bill that will help retrain people to go to work_ you ***** about that. This bill has the potential to get people off assistance and into the job market where they will be contributing instead of taking. That is a good thing, anyone with an iq of 80 would realize that. I have posted several times I have no problem in helping people but I think there should be a time limit put on the help, require the people getting help to retrain for a job then cut them off.
I am not against military spending, never have been. Find any post I have ever made saying I was against military spending. There was a thread a few months ago discussing the government trimming back on troops due to technology advances. I did say I can understand that we do not need as many troops, I much rather send a dhrone than put our troops in dangerous situation.
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Okay. Who's getting trained? How much will it cost? How many jobs is this program going to create? How many people will be able to leave the dole once the program is completed? What are these jobs "of the future"? Will the taxpayers have to invest in machinery or hardware, or is this a simple skills plan? How much will that cost? Is this indefinite? Will we need to create another government agency to administer the program? If not, which government agency will administer the program? Will there be any overlap with other government agencies? How much? Will this add to any deficits?

These are questions that will we asked and resolved by a CEO in the private sector before any money is spent, and this is why the government will ALWAYS fail with these so-called jobs bills.

The government does not create jobs. The government will never create jobs. And they will never be able to administer a program of this scope without wasting billions. GOVERNMENT SPENDING WILL NEVER GROW AN ECONOMY.
 
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Gannon Goodson said:
Okay. Who's getting trained? How much will it cost? How many jobs is this program going to create? How many people will be able to leave the dole once the program is completed? What are these jobs "of the future"? Will the taxpayers have to invest in machinery or hardware, or is this a simple skills plan? How much will that cost? Is this indefinite? Will we need to create another government agency to administer the program? If not, which government agency will administer the program? Will there be any overlap with other government agencies? How much? Will this add to any deficits?

These are questions that will we asked and resolved by a CEO in the private sector before any money is spent, and this is why the government will ALWAYS fail with these so-called jobs bills.

The government does not create jobs. The government will never create jobs. And they will never be able to administer a program of this scope without wasting billions. GOVERNMENT SPENDING WILL NEVER GROW AN ECONOMY.
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I usually agree with what you say, not at all on this issue. We will just have to agree to disagree. This is the first time in several years I have been proud of a bill passed by our Congress. I like what they did, therefore I give them credit instead of slamming them as I usually do. :hi:
 
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Gramps said:
I usually agree with what you say, not at all on this issue. We will just have to agree to disagree. This is the first time in several years I have been proud of a bill passed by our Congress. I like what they did, therefore I give them credit instead of slamming them as I usually do. :hi:
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You can be proud, but it doesn't change the fact that it will cost a lot of money and be an abject failure.
 
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