Joe Milton - Second-Year Surge

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I think Milton relied too much on his physical gifts in HS and college which is why he didn’t succeed.

With that being said, I believe he has the support system around him in CJH & QB talent to mold him into a quarterback that can be successful. I think he is doing the intelligent thing by taking the back seat and soaking it all in. I think CJH knows he can have a beast at QB next year and is going to try and do everything he can to cultivate it.

Honestly, I wish our fan base would stop sh*****g on him because he hasn’t complained about his poor performance and actually has been a huge positive locker room presence that has given his all for UT.
 
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I think Milton relied too much on his physical gifts in HS and college which is why he didn’t succeed.

With that being said, I believe he has the support system around him in CJH & QB talent to mold him into a quarterback that can be successful. I think he is doing the intelligent thing by taking the back seat and soaking it all in. I think CJH knows he can have a beast at QB next year and is going to try and do everything he can to cultivate it.

Honestly, I wish our fan base would stop sh*****g on him because he hasn’t complained about his poor performance and actually has been a huge positive locker room presence that has given his all for UT.

I still remember Heupel getting sh*t on for not playing Harrison Bailey.

Apparently he was supposed to transfer to Georgia so he could “torch” us. 🤣
 
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I think Milton relied too much on his physical gifts in HS and college which is why he didn’t succeed.

With that being said, I believe he has the support system around him in CJH & QB talent to mold him into a quarterback that can be successful. I think he is doing the intelligent thing by taking the back seat and soaking it all in. I think CJH knows he can have a beast at QB next year and is going to try and do everything he can to cultivate it.

Honestly, I wish our fan base would stop sh*****g on him because he hasn’t complained about his poor performance and actually has been a huge positive locker room presence that has given his all for UT.
DCM, I hope you don't think I was hating on Joe in post #14. That was more along the lines of me trying to understand him, including how he might improve. I don't dislike the young man, I respect him for wearing orange and representing us, and I appreciate his clear talent and team attitude.

Having said that, the next thing I say is probably going to make you think I'm hating on Joe again. Because I've been pondering the possible roots of his adrenaline problem, and it seems to me he may share an element of background with JG. Yep, see, now you think I'm hating. I'm not. I appreciate JG in much the same way I do Joe.

And they both seemed to suffer aspects of the same affliction. In live games, both tend to throw darts, even when backing off the velocity and giving a little more touch might be better. Both tend to over-throw their targets, esp. downfield on the longer passes.

So far, it could be that JG and Joe have the same over-stimulated adrenaline problem, right?

But JG is a bruiser. He isn't afraid to hit or get hit. He took a pounding, sometimes several weeks in a row, and just kept coming back for more. Which is a clear difference between the two. JG's fight-or-flight trigger tends toward "fight;" Joe's leans in the direction of "flight."

So they're not the same person. They're not identical. But they do seem to have similarities.

So what causes young men to have this problem?

No telling. But here's one possible source I've been thinking about: lack of adversity earlier in life.

What if you never got beat up by other kids growing up? What if you never suffered real hardship at home, whether that means a parent quick with the belt, or an older sibling with a mean streak, or the loss of a loved one?

What if being hit hard on the football field IS the most negative thing that ever happens in your young life?

See, and I'm just thinking out loud, no way of knowing if any of this is anything other than BS, but if you've had a series of Real Problems in life, if you're biggest adrenaline spikes have tended to be much more serious than a fellow football playing crashing into you, then maybe you become better at dealing with and thinking through and being calm during adrenaline spikes of the football variety.

Maybe JG and Joe simply have had too good of a life so far, a bit too protected?

If that theory is accurate, chances are good we'll see more lads with similar challenges in the future, because children are protected today (from everything except discussions of sex and gender) far better than ever before in history.

Anyway, could be 100% wrong. Just something I've been thinking about the last few years while pondering JG and now Joe Mixon.

Go Vols!
 
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No, I didn't. Joe is still a very gifted athlete. He will be a 5th year senior with starting/playing experience. He will have been in the program for over 2 years and he will know the playbook inside and out. Also, you have to believe that his development under CJH will continue to progress.
 
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No, I didn't. Joe is still a very gifted athlete. He will be a 5th year senior with starting/playing experience. He will have been in the program for over 2 years and he will know the playbook inside and out. Also, you have to believe that his development under CJH will continue to progress.
If he can settle down he’ll be fine. Take the last play vs Ole Miss out of the equation (very hard to do), but as others have said, he went the right direction w/ the football. This isn’t JG trying to force the ball between a linebacker, a corner and a safety, he needs to take some off the ball . If he slows down he’s going to be very good .
 
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If he can settle down he’ll be fine. Take the last play vs Ole Miss out of the equation (very hard to do), but as others have said, he went the right direction w/ the football. This isn’t JG trying to force the ball between a linebacker, a corner and a safety, he needs to take some off the ball . If he slows down he’s going to be very good .

And what people tend to forget is the play before that, Joe delivered an absolute laser into the end zone that the receiver SHOULD have caught! Game should've been over right there!
 
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And what people tend to forget is the play before that, Joe delivered an absolute laser into the end zone that the receiver SHOULD have caught! Game should've been over right there!
I’ll be honest, I’m going to be very skeptical of Milton until I can actually see him do it . However, I still think he’s capable of being a starter after Hendon leaves.
 
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And what people tend to forget is the play before that, Joe delivered an absolute laser into the end zone that the receiver SHOULD have caught! Game should've been over right there!
yes
Milton threw it the only place he could throw it on that play, but the receiver just could not get that high. Exhaustion, I'm sure.
 
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The challenge of Joe Milton is 99% mental--by that, I don't mean smarts. I mean nervous system and autonomic brain function.

When he gets into live game play, his adrenaline level seems to spike off the charts. Okay, that's fairly normal. Happens to most fellas. But Joe's mind can't seem to handle it as well as most. He gets "jittery." Not his hands, but his mind. It winds up too tight.

And that manifests itself in three bad ways:

-- He loses his touch. He starts throwing nothing but 90-mph fastballs. Whether he needs to or not. This is mainly a problem on the shorter passes. His throws come screaming in like a depleted uranium round from an M1 main battle tank. That's punishing to his receivers. Some can handle it better than others, but when Joe is only 10-15 yards from the receiver, it gets supremely hard to find the ball's handle.
-- He starts over-throwing. Too much adrenaline translates into too much juice. This is mainly a problem on his longer throws. 10% over-thrown on a 15-yard pass is only 1.5 yards, which is within many receivers' wing span. 10% over-thrown on a 50-yard bomb is 5 yards, which the receiver can't even come close to. The balls just sail past their targets.
-- He shies away from contact. Adrenaline is the fight-or-flight drug in your bloodstream. If you're a natural fighter, it's dangerously seductive. But if you're naturally hesitant to mix it up (as Joe seems to be), it causes you to not think clearly in times of threat. Which can cause you to run out of bounds, say, on the 8-yard line on the last play of the game when you're team is down just a few points and the clock is at 0:00.

You know how it is sometimes said that some young men have natural talent and "you can't teach that"? I'm concerned that perhaps this aspect of Joe Milton's being may not be coachable. I hope I'm wrong. I hope our coaching staff and Joe himself break the code on his adrenaline rush effects.

I'm just not counting on it until I see it in-game.

Go Vols!
I think he has been similar to JG in that regard. Something doesn't translate from practice to game day. That said, I always hoped it would click for JG... I definitely do for Milton.

IMHO, he will be the starter to begin the year in 23. If he succeeds then that's great. Nico can play his 4 RS games. Jackson can get some time as well. Both can be ready for a battle in spring 24.
 
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I would really hope TJ gets a legitimate chance.
Why would he not? Not being smart with you. The NFL puts stock in what they're paying a guy when considering their depth chart. That's understandable. But UT didn't pay Nico anything.... and Spyre doesn't fill out the depth chart.
 
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Milton had all the physical tools to be dominant not just successful. It’s his decision making, it’s always been his decision making. We can talk about stuff all day but he has to make better decisions in game if he wants to be a starter after Hooker is gone.
What decisions, besides running out of bounds with 0:00 left, were wrong? His overthrows were not decision making. He extremely rarely made bad reads, but didn't hit the open guy. That's not decision making.
 
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Milton had all the physical tools to be dominant not just successful. It’s his decision making, it’s always been his decision making. We can talk about stuff all day but he has to make better decisions in game if he wants to be a starter after Hooker is gone.
Decision making, hopefully staff has addressed. If he can learn to put some touch on his passes could become a really good QB. Nico is the future, he didn’t come here to redshirt. Who stays behind him?
 
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I guess 4 years of JG wasn't enough.

Let Milton continue to be a good teammate and only play him if you absolutely have too.

He's been playing organized football for 7 years now. If he can't learn accuracy and situational awareness at this point then just accept it.

You all forget so quickly....
 

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