Joe Milton - Second-Year Surge

#51
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LittleVol said:
I guess 4 years of JG wasn't enough.

Let Milton continue to be a good teammate and only play him if you absolutely have too.

He's been playing organized football for 7 years now. If he can't learn accuracy and situational awareness at this point then just accept it.

You all forget so quickly....
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Exactly. The guy has had two different staffs try to develop him.
 
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GregAmsler said:
“Regardless of what anyone on the outside thinks, the people inside that building believe in Milton. His physical abilities are as elite as it gets, and who’s to say time couldn’t repair some of the things that ail him? Some have already dismissed him, but his coaches and teammates haven’t, and the view from this end is that those coaches and teammates have a point. After all, they see him more than anyone, right? They know him better than anyone, right? Milton might earn his shot at redemption at some point, and the view here is the same as it’s always been: I don’t know how good Joe Milton III can be, but I’d damn sure like to watch him try. He’s a unicorn. There aren’t many like him, even in this era of advanced sports science. He has major wrinkles that need to be ironed, but experience often has a way of achieving those ends.”
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I was very disappointed in him last yearend it wasn't jus at the beginning of the season. He is a great athlete but he did not show he was a great football player. He likely cost us 2 games last year and it was he problems seemed to be his mental approach to the position and his awareness of the game situations. He he can get those things worked out, I think we will have 3 SEC caliber QBs next year and let the best player win playing time.
 
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Milton running out of bounds on the last play against Mississippi is the textbook example of what doesn't work when he's on the field. He has undeniable physical attributes but the decision making and accuracy have never shone through for him at Tennessee. If you think they will suddenly be there now, well, good luck to you.

I don't begrudge the guy. If he proves the naysayers wrong, great, great for him, but Heupel runs a fast-paced, quick-acting offense that relies a great deal on the quarterback to make decisions and find opportunities. If you think that's gonna be Milton, well, again, good luck to you. Go watch last year's Pitt game, watch the difference between Milton and Hooker out on the field, and then ask yourself if you really think it'll be different this time around.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
If he gets that deep ball lined up then look out. People give him flack for the Ole Miss ending and it was certainly frustrating but the play before he ran out of bounds was a throw very few QBs can make. That ball was spot on but Tillman just didn’t have the legs to get up at that point. It’s not easy coming in off the bench when you haven’t seen meaningful time in several games and you’re left with a few seconds left (enough for 3-4 plays), 40 yards to go (or however many), and you need a TD to win.
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Milton’s pass was “spot on” but the result was a ball thrown too high for Tillman to catch. Tillman has proven he can go up and snag balls. I question the statement he didn’t have the legs on that specific play.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
Milton’s pass was “spot on” but the result was a ball thrown too high for Tillman to catch. Tillman has proven he can go up and snag balls. I question the statement he didn’t have the legs on that specific play.
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Question it all you want. The ball was in the only place it could be and it only requires Tillman to get off the ground a few inches to get it. Maybe his legs were out being late in the game or maybe the ball got there faster than he thought it would. Either way, Milton put that ball in a catchable spot and it wasn’t caught. It wasn’t too high to be caught.
 
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Volador said:
Hooker is gonna need a backup. Impossible to play in the SEC and not get nicked & dinged. JMIII great asset to the Vols this year.
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Very good point. He will have a chance this year to win a ball game for Us. In CHRIST Alone
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
Milton’s pass was “spot on” but the result was a ball thrown too high for Tillman to catch. Tillman has proven he can go up and snag balls. I question the statement he didn’t have the legs on that specific play.
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His feet didn't get a foot off the ground. It was kind of obvious.
 
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butchna said:
Happy for you that you found your new DobbGoblin. 😏
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T'were fun while it lasted. Now, it is on to Captain Hook, and the Milt man, before the next thing:
Nico, Nico man
I wanna be a Nico man
I wanna be a Nico man, Nico, Bico man
I wanna be a Nico! Ow!
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
DCM, I hope you don't think I was hating on Joe in post #14. That was more along the lines of me trying to understand him, including how he might improve. I don't dislike the young man, I respect him for wearing orange and representing us, and I appreciate his clear talent and team attitude.

Having said that, the next thing I say is probably going to make you think I'm hating on Joe again. Because I've been pondering the possible roots of his adrenaline problem, and it seems to me he may share an element of background with JG. Yep, see, now you think I'm hating. I'm not. I appreciate JG in much the same way I do Joe.

And they both seemed to suffer aspects of the same affliction. In live games, both tend to throw darts, even when backing off the velocity and giving a little more touch might be better. Both tend to over-throw their targets, esp. downfield on the longer passes.

So far, it could be that JG and Joe have the same over-stimulated adrenaline problem, right?

But JG is a bruiser. He isn't afraid to hit or get hit. He took a pounding, sometimes several weeks in a row, and just kept coming back for more. Which is a clear difference between the two. JG's fight-or-flight trigger tends toward "fight;" Joe's leans in the direction of "flight."

So they're not the same person. They're not identical. But they do seem to have similarities.

So what causes young men to have this problem?

No telling. But here's one possible source I've been thinking about: lack of adversity earlier in life.

What if you never got beat up by other kids growing up? What if you never suffered real hardship at home, whether that means a parent quick with the belt, or an older sibling with a mean streak, or the loss of a loved one?

What if being hit hard on the football field IS the most negative thing that ever happens in your young life?

See, and I'm just thinking out loud, no way of knowing if any of this is anything other than BS, but if you've had a series of Real Problems in life, if you're biggest adrenaline spikes have tended to be much more serious than a fellow football playing crashing into you, then maybe you become better at dealing with and thinking through and being calm during adrenaline spikes of the football variety.

Maybe JG and Joe simply have had too good of a life so far, a bit too protected?

If that theory is accurate, chances are good we'll see more lads with similar challenges in the future, because children are protected today (from everything except discussions of sex and gender) far better than ever before in history.

Anyway, could be 100% wrong. Just something I've been thinking about the last few years while pondering JG and now Joe Mixon.

Go Vols!
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JP, I don’t think you’re a hater and I believe you’re one of the most respectful, thoughtful posters here regardless if you opinion may “right” or “wrong”.

You’re theory may be correct and those natural tendencies that Joe had last season and JG had, might never change. Future is hard to predict.
 
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Milton could be legit if CJH and staff can get him fixed.
Like I said last season and pointed out in this article. The guy's been a team player and never sulked on the bench like JG did, he cheered his team on.
 
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GregAmsler said:
His feet didn't get a foot off the ground. It was kind of obvious.
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Maybe the ball was thrown too early. Not necessarily the receivers fault. You could even chalk it up to tight coverage by the D which prevented Tillman from adjusting to the the ball.
 
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I hope he sticks around. He frustrated me no ends last year, but the kid is an amazing athlete. Let’s see what happens
 
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LittleVol said:
I guess 4 years of JG wasn't enough.

Let Milton continue to be a good teammate and only play him if you absolutely have too.

He's been playing organized football for 7 years now. If he can't learn accuracy and situational awareness at this point then just accept it.

You all forget so quickly....
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Who... specifically... forgot?

Milton will have a huge leg up on the other two (or 3) in 23. He will show out in practice and very likely get the start in game 1. If he plays poorly then they'll transition sooner than they want to. If he can learn to manage his adrenaline then it will be a huge boost to the program.
 
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#72
I’m skeptical about joe bc of how jittery the guy gets in games but you can’t deny the arm talent.
Everybody keeps talking bout next year, honestly we’ll probably see him this year unless hooker stays completely healthy the whole season, which is unlikely.
If Hook does stay healthy the whole year, and Milton works his butt off year and keeps being a positive teammate, listening to the guys he’s one of the biggest influences in the locker room.That’s awesome.
That being said he would absolutely deserve another shot next year to prove himself and all of us wrong if he stays the course and keeps working.

I’m still on the fence about joe, I’d be shocked if he came out looking like a different player who all of a sudden got it together, but I wouldn’t be shocked if he sucked and got benched midway through second or third game.
That’s were I’m at with the guy, but in all fairness he would deserve his shot.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
He's the one I worry about. If Joe starts next year, TJ will probably enter the portal.
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He would be more likely to transfer if Nico is the starter next year. If Milton starts next year, maybe Jackson thinks he can beat Nico in 24. If Nico starts as a freshman it’s done.
 
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508mikey said:
nope Nico is starting day 1 -- Milton might as well look elsewhere
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Yep if CJH believes after fall practice next year that he can get out Nico in year 1 what he can get out of the other 2 Nico will start as a freshmen. Experiences means nothing unless you can put it all together. I know everyone keeps bringing up Bailey but they have to remember CJH didn't recruit Bailey he did Nico.
 
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