Joe Tessitore at SEC Media Days - "There's a line separating rivalries like TSIO from the best rivalries."

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TSIO is going to be relevant again real soon. I see head knocking type games coming. Deboer is similar to Heupel, in that, he does more with less. He had some good players at Washington, but not a team of high 4* and 5* players like Alabama and Georgia. Alabama is still attractive to top rated recruits right now, but that can change in a couple of seasons. I hate saying this but right now, Georgia is the benchmark for the SEC.
 
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05_never_again said:
Perhaps my judgment on this has been recently skewed because I spent a lot of time around A&M fans in Omaha, but I think it is quite possible that the emotion around the Texas/Texas A&M rivalry exceeds that of the Iron Bowl and is the most heated rivalry in the country. The reason I say "emotion" instead of hate/dislike is because that rivalry isn't simply about dislike.

Texas fans look at A&M as an object of disgust, like gum on the bottom of their shoe. A&M fans look at Texas with a truly bizarre, clinically-diagnosable range of emotions. Hate, envy, jealousy, contempt, and paranoia. I've never seen anything like it in any other rivalry. Two-thirds of A&M's fight song is taking shots at Texas and not even about their own school. To say that they have a hang-up with Texas doesn't even begin to describe it. We ran into probably 10 different groups of A&M fans over 3 days and within 90 seconds of each interaction, they brought up Texas on their own to slam them in some way. It was funny the first couple of times, but as every single one of them kept doing it I was like "Guys, they aren't even here." lol
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I have a new in-law who is a Texas A&M fan and without a doubt the disgust they have for Texas is unmatched. I’m from Durham. Duke and UNC is college basketball’s best rivalry, but there’s also a mutual respect. I look at Texas A&M and Texas like I do NC State, they hate UNC more than they like their own team. They’ve lived in their shadow forever, and they have to be furious that Texas is in the League now.

I currently see Texas vs Texas A&M as the most heated, vitriolic rivalry in college sports, probably followed by Michigan and Ohio state, given that Michigan has won 3 in a row and they are both top 5 programs at the moment.
 
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Voltopia said:
Joe Tessitore's been riding the Texas-OU jock all day, calling it the best rivalry in the conference. But that wasn't enough, he had to make it clear that the other SEC rivalries, save the Iron Bowl, do not match up with the blessed Red River Shootout.

Paraphrasing slightly -

"Then you have rivalries like the Third Saturday in October and the Egg Bowl, and then there's a line. *paused for effect* And above that line are the bigtime rivalries. The Cotton Bowl and the Iron Bowl."

He then went on to cite the pageantry of the Cotton Bowl and the Texas State Fair as reasons for naming the Red River Shootout the best rivalry in the SEC. Said it had a different atmosphere that elevated it above the others. He also managed to get in the comment that the Iron Bowl was "parochial." Said it only looked inward, while the Cotton Bowl was bigger and more prominent, which only added to its status as the top pick.

And before you give me any gripes about "don't you have something better to do," it's the middle of July and kickoff isn't for another month so no, I don't have anything better to do.
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He’s got a 15 gallon hat on a 1 gallon head
 
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Voltopia said:
And before you give me any gripes about "don't you have something better to do," it's the middle of July and kickoff isn't for another month so no, I don't have anything better to do.
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This right here is funny AF. Thanks for the laugh! 🤣
 
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Voltopia said:
Joe Tessitore's been riding the Texas-OU jock all day, calling it the best rivalry in the conference. But that wasn't enough, he had to make it clear that the other SEC rivalries, save the Iron Bowl, do not match up with the blessed Red River Shootout.

Paraphrasing slightly -

"Then you have rivalries like the Third Saturday in October and the Egg Bowl, and then there's a line. *paused for effect* And above that line are the bigtime rivalries. The Cotton Bowl and the Iron Bowl."

He then went on to cite the pageantry of the Cotton Bowl and the Texas State Fair as reasons for naming the Red River Shootout the best rivalry in the SEC. Said it had a different atmosphere that elevated it above the others. He also managed to get in the comment that the Iron Bowl was "parochial." Said it only looked inward, while the Cotton Bowl was bigger and more prominent, which only added to its status as the top pick.

And before you give me any gripes about "don't you have something better to do," it's the middle of July and kickoff isn't for another month so no, I don't have anything better to do.
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It's all subjective. TX/OU hasn't been very exciting until recently. The Iron Bowl is huge. TSIO is huge. RRSO is huge. There is no line save for in Joe's mind. TX/OU fans will always say RRSO and we will always say TSIO. aTm fans will likely say their games against the other UT are bigger. I just want to win baby!
 
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vavolfan6 said:
I'm not making an argument defending TSIO as much as I'm giving an explaination why RR and UM-OSU are so big. The RR will lose some if its luster though. Weak schedules is what makes the rivalries so great. That changes this season.
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I don’t disagree with you on the weak schedules for the last 20 years or so. Prior to that (e.g. 100 years) they weren’t weak schedules necessarily compared to the rest of the country. Nebraska and Kansas St etc. You argument is very valid for the last couple decades or so though. The SEC has only dominated for 20-30 years, not for the history of college football
 
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OrangeBeachVol said:
Assume you were joking. That's like Vandy bragging they have the best punter in the SEC. I do believe it can start becoming a rivalry now but lets win a few before we can claim its a rivalry again.
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Why would he be joking? We are, quite literally, 1 of 2 in the past two years.

When it's 2 of 3 in the past three years, will you still insist that we must include the past 15 years?

When do we get to stop seeing things in the way most favorable to our rivals?

Heh.

Go Vols!
 
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Voltopia said:
Joe Tessitore's been riding the Texas-OU jock all day, calling it the best rivalry in the conference. But that wasn't enough, he had to make it clear that the other SEC rivalries, save the Iron Bowl, do not match up with the blessed Red River Shootout.
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Joe Tessatore is a typical ESPN a$$hole, and is one of the reasons I hated CBS giving up the SEC. You can hate Danielson all you want, but that network highly valued the SEC and treated the conference as a priority, helping the conference grow in stature. The SEC is just another 'product' to add to their 'inventory' at ESPN, as we will find out the hard way soon.
 
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Voltopia said:
Joe Tessitore's been riding the Texas-OU jock all day, calling it the best rivalry in the conference. But that wasn't enough, he had to make it clear that the other SEC rivalries, save the Iron Bowl, do not match up with the blessed Red River Shootout.

Paraphrasing slightly -

"Then you have rivalries like the Third Saturday in October and the Egg Bowl, and then there's a line. *paused for effect* And above that line are the bigtime rivalries. The Cotton Bowl and the Iron Bowl."

He then went on to cite the pageantry of the Cotton Bowl and the Texas State Fair as reasons for naming the Red River Shootout the best rivalry in the SEC. Said it had a different atmosphere that elevated it above the others. He also managed to get in the comment that the Iron Bowl was "parochial." Said it only looked inward, while the Cotton Bowl was bigger and more prominent, which only added to its status as the top pick.

And before you give me any gripes about "don't you have something better to do," it's the middle of July and kickoff isn't for another month so no, I don't have anything better to do.
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Ah yes. College Football’s special Olympics finals. The “Red River Rivalry”. Better known as “Cripple Camp” to us South Park fans.

Neither team has threatened to win the title in more than a decade, but it’s got to be good because these guys just abandoned their conference together.. Sounds more like a RomCom than a football rivalry.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I have a new in-law who is a Texas A&M fan and without a doubt the disgust they have for Texas is unmatched. I’m from Durham. Duke and UNC is college basketball’s best rivalry, but there’s also a mutual respect. I look at Texas A&M and Texas like I do NC State, they hate UNC more than they like their own team. They’ve lived in their shadow forever, and they have to be furious that Texas is in the League now.

I currently see Texas vs Texas A&M as the most heated, vitriolic rivalry in college sports, probably followed by Michigan and Ohio state, given that Michigan has won 3 in a row and they are both top 5 programs at the moment.
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Maybe it shouldn't have, because I had always heard that the Texas/Texas A&M rivalry was incredibly heated, but it actually caught me off guard just how deep it ran talking to A&M fans. We got into a near-argument with one A&M fan, who was otherwise a super nice guy, because he kept blaming the other SEC schools for allowing Texas in. When I pointed out that A&M themselves voted yes, but he got pissy and went "Well yeah, that's because we didn't want to stick out because none of y'all went along with us!" Then that was followed by a 5 minute rant about all the ways Texas was going to ruin the SEC.

Every other college rivalry I've been exposed to is more of a simple dislike between the two teams, with some underlying respect to varying degrees. Some rivalries have lots of mutual respect, others not as much, but it's there. There is absolutely zero, zero, mutual respect between those two teams and fanbases. It honestly makes the Iron Bowl, at least in its current state (I know it hasn't been as competitive in recent years) look collegial. Some of those fans we talked to I think have clinically diagnoseable psychological disorders over it. I'm not exaggerating. It far surpassed anything I've heard an Alabama fan say about Auburn and vice versa.

The best way I know how to sum it up is that A&M wants to be the thing they hate, while at the same time thinking Texas is the boogeyman hiding around every corner about to destroy them. It should be studied. Yuuuuge inferiority complex.
 
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vavolfan6 said:
Then at least share why its false than just saying it is.
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When OU-Texas rivalry developed, they were in different conferences, the Big 8 and SWC. Both conferences had nationally competitive teams. Nebraska was a powerhouse that OU played every year. Colorado was usually nationally relevant who OU played every year. In the SWC, Texas played Arkansas and Texas A&M every year. Houston was usually pretty good too.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Why would he be joking? We are, quite literally, 1 of 2 in the past two years.

When it's 2 of 3 in the past three years, will you still insist that we must include the past 15 years?

When do we get to stop seeing things in the way most favorable to our rivals?

Heh.

Go Vols!
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Whenever we can beat Bama more than once in 17 yrs. I don't see twisting it around that we have won 1 of the last 2 as anything to brag about. My op was in response to this series being a rivalry and a couple of posters stated it has not been for several yrs. I was agreeing with them. I live among Bama fans and even they agree it has lost its rivalry luster and hope it comes back.

I am on your side but lets do something better than winning 1 game in 17 yrs before we can claim bragging rights. Believe me, my life during FB season would be much more pleasant with a Bama victory.
 
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OrangeBeachVol said:
Whenever we can beat Bama more than once in 17 yrs. I don't see twisting it around that we have won 1 of the last 2 as anything to brag about. My op was in response to this series being a rivalry and a couple of posters stated it has not been for several yrs. I was agreeing with them. I live among Bama fans and even they agree it has lost its rivalry luster and hope it comes back.

I am on your side but lets do something better than winning 1 game in 17 yrs before we can claim bragging rights. Believe me, my life during FB season would be much more pleasant with a Bama victory.
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Good enough. We agree. Let's get to "2 of the last 3" and take it from there.

Go Vols!
 
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OrangeBeachVol said:
Whenever we can beat Bama more than once in 17 yrs. I don't see twisting it around that we have won 1 of the last 2 as anything to brag about. My op was in response to this series being a rivalry and a couple of posters stated it has not been for several yrs. I was agreeing with them. I live among Bama fans and even they agree it has lost its rivalry luster and hope it comes back.

I am on your side but lets do something better than winning 1 game in 17 yrs before we can claim bragging rights. Believe me, my life during FB season would be much more pleasant with a Bama victory.
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Mistake, meant Vol victory.
 
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Rivalries are regional, and he started his career in Texas. So that rivalry will stick out to him, especially someone from NY. They don't really have college football rivalries in NY.
 
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I didn't even know texas and Oklahoma was a rival. I assumed they were because they were the biggest fish in a little pond for such a long time, but I've not heard anybody really talk about it being some big thing...but then again I don't keep up with big 12 or whatever they were in.
 
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