John Brice - Rick Barnes Extended, $5.9 Million

[bleedingTNorange]

One thing I’ve not seen mentioned in this thread is that it continues to show the college basketball community that Tennessee is serious about their hoops program. You’ve got a new AD and he made a statement with this extension and raise, on the surface to fans it probably leaves them wondering why, but if it helps vault this program to Top 10-15 on a national scene then it was worth every penny.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Rick Barnes would despise living in Memphis and the type of people in that fanbase. As @zjcvols said, talk about a horrible mismatch in personality and culture.

Yea, I don’t think this had to do anything with Memphis or any other job for that matter like last time…truth be told I doubt Barnes was asking for a penny more, I think this is more about White making a statement.

 

[Chris4Vols22]

One thing I’ve not seen mentioned in this thread is that it continues to show the college basketball community that Tennessee is serious about their hoops program. You’ve got a new AD and he made a statement with this extension and raise, on the surface to fans it probably leaves them wondering why, but if it helps vault this program to Top 10-15 on a national scene then it was worth every penny.

I love it. Make Tennessee love basketball!

 

[zjcvols]

One thing I’ve not seen mentioned in this thread is that it continues to show the college basketball community that Tennessee is serious about their hoops program. You’ve got a new AD and he made a statement with this extension and raise, on the surface to fans it probably leaves them wondering why, but if it helps vault this program to Top 10-15 on a national scene then it was worth every penny.

I mean, yes in theory that’s all great and what not…but the current coach hasn’t produced top 10-15 results. You know the quickest way to do become a top 10-15 program? Have the results of a top 10-15 program.

 

[INDEFENSE]

Hopefully if he keeps recruiting at this level and makes a sweet 16 and better a few years we will be looked at as the new blueblood.

 

[TheMookieMonster]

I mean, yes in theory that’s all great and what not…but the current coach hasn’t produced top 10-15 results. You know the quickest way to do become a top 10-15 program? Have the results of a top 10-15 program.

To be fair, we've had 1 disappointing season relative to expectations IMO out of the entire time Rick Barnes has been here. He suffered in 2019-2020 from a brief lapse in recruiting, but after the 2018-2019 success we've seen our recruiting skyrocket and this past season, in the middle of a pandemic, was the first chance to see that recruiting on the court. The elite recruiting is only just now starting to bear fruit, and I highly doubt we see what happened last year be a trend moving forward with the type of talent we are now getting. The 2022 class is also shaping up to be elite.

 

[zjcvols]

Let’s take out out the other factors of what a contract extension brings: stability, National perception, whose money it is etc etc…the common things that get brought when arguing for or against Barnes’ salary…let’s ask one simple question…

Does the results of the last two years really constitute a 15% pay raise?

 

[Vol49er]

Let’s take out out the other factors of what a contract extension brings: stability, National perception, whose money it is etc etc…the common things that get brought when arguing for or against Barnes’ salary…let’s ask one simple question…

Does the results of the last two years really constitute a 15% pay raise?

No, they don’t (at least not when starting at 5 mil), but that’s why the AD doesn’t just take out all of the positive factors when making a decision

 

[SGMVols]

Let’s take out out the other factors of what a contract extension brings: stability, National perception, whose money it is etc etc…the common things that get brought when arguing for or against Barnes’ salary…let’s ask one simple question…

Does the results of the last two years really constitute a 15% pay raise?

The recruiting most certainly does

 

[zjcvols]

To be fair, we've had 1 disappointing season relative to expectations IMO out of the entire time Rick Barnes has been here. He suffered in 2019-2020 from a brief lapse in recruiting, but after the 2018-2019 success we've seen our recruiting skyrocket and this past season, in the middle of a pandemic, was the first chance to see that recruiting on the court. The elite recruiting is only just now starting to bear fruit, and I highly doubt we see what happened last year be a trend moving forward with the type of talent we are now getting. The 2022 class is also shaping up to be elite.

We disagree about one disappointing season, but that’s been brought up plenty.

The recruiting has improved and that’s important but I’m not seeing any improvement in the coaching. The offensive system still is blah, the player development has gone down the last couple years. I just don’t see the point of a contract extension. We just got a top 5 class with him making $5M so I don’t know what an extra $1M actually brings

 

[zjcvols]

The recruiting most certainly does

He was already being paid top 5 in the country and just had a top 5 class, is another $1M gonna fix the actual coaching problems?

 

[zjcvols]

No, they don’t (at least not when starting at 5 mil), but that’s why the AD doesn’t just take out all of the positive factors when making a decision

Is that extra $1M raise per year gonna fix the offensive issues?

 

[AngryButchJones]

I have a new least favorite thread on here.

Peace, y'all

 

[Vol49er]

Is that extra $1M raise per year gonna fix the offensive issues?

No. It’s not going to make them worse though, and as others have mentioned it could potentially help in other areas. At worst maintain. I don’t think it changes much in either direction to be honest but if there is a big impact it could really only be positive, cause it’s not like Barnes is going to let the bottom fall out of the program where we’d be wanting to get out of the contact

 

[SGMVols]

Is that extra $1M raise per year gonna fix the offensive issues?

No but the new recruits will

 

[Chris4Vols22]

I mean, yes in theory that’s all great and what not…but the current coach hasn’t produced top 10-15 results. You know the quickest way to do become a top 10-15 program? Have the results of a top 10-15 program.

How do you quantify the temporal aspect of being a top 10-15 team? Year over year? Over a span of x number of years? You can obviously look at the rankings at any given point, but what are you looking at that leads you to determine where a program or coach is "ranked?"

I'm having a hard time relating to your opinion because I can't determine what exactly you mean by a top 10-15 team. Outside of the handful of perennial bluebloods, how many teams actually sustain enough success to be lumped into this category? Once you get past UNC, Duke, Kansas, and UK, the other notable teams that come to mind have experienced droughts that certainly knocked them out of the top 10-15 category...all imo.

 

[zjcvols]

No. It’s not going to make them worse though, and as others have mentioned it could potentially help in other areas. At worst maintain. I don’t think it changes much in either direction to be honest but if there is a big impact it could really only be positive, cause it’s not like Barnes is going to let the bottom fall out of the program where we’d be wanting to get out of the contact

I guess I’m just confused why the pay raise was warranted. I get extending the years, could understand raising the buyout but an extra $1M/year is just unnecessary.

Barnes already is getting criticism for the last two years making $5M, getting even more will just turn up the heat.

 

[SGMVols]

I guess I’m just confused why the pay raise was warranted. I get extending the years, could understand raising the buyout but an extra $1M/year is just unnecessary.

Barnes already is getting criticism for the last two years making $5M, getting even more will just turn up the heat.

Why do you even care? It isn’t your money

 

[zjcvols]

How do you quantify the temporal aspect of being a top 10-15 team? Year over year? Over a span of x number of years? You can obviously look at the rankings at any given point, but what are you looking at that leads you to determine where a program or coach is "ranked?"

I'm having a hard time relating to your opinion because I can't determine what exactly you mean by a top 10-15 team. Outside of the handful of perennial bluebloods, how many teams actually sustain enough success to be lumped into this category? Once you get past UNC, Duke, Kansas, and UK, the other notable teams that come to mind have experienced droughts that certainly knocked them out of the top 10-15 category...all imo.

There can be a number of factors, but if we give Barnes a pass for the first two years here is the resume

1x co regular season conference title
0 conference tournament titles
1x sweet sixteen
1x 30 win season
3/4 NCAA tourney berths* (I know 2020 but we wouldn’t have made it)

Is that top 10-15 over the last four years…and over the last six? I don’t believe so

 

[zjcvols]

Why do you even care? It isn’t your money

Because it involves UT basketball which I am a fan of and salary brings about a number of different factors related to the program

 

[youcancallmeAl]

At this point in time, Rick Barnes is the most likely coach of anyone to take us to the promised land - a final four berth, and possible NT. This raise and extension is White paying down on the future, with one eye on the past. The probabilities of a very bright future is based partly on recent and likely future recruiting. Barnes past body of work in sum is a mixed bag. He has a final four on his resume, and he had a final four quality team one year here made of three stars that he developed. His tournament record overall is disappointing, but there is enough evidence from his body of work both overall and at UT that he will recruit and put a very dangerous team on the floor year in and year out. And that is what White is paying for, the chance that will translate into something special in the near future.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I mean, yes in theory that’s all great and what not…but the current coach hasn’t produced top 10-15 results. You know the quickest way to do become a top 10-15 program? Have the results of a top 10-15 program.

You’re stuck in your line of thinking so not sure why I am bothering, but here goes…

How many P5 programs over the last 4 years of 90+ wins, and 3 NCAAT appearances? Tennessee has the results of a Top 10-15 program, they’re viewed that was nationally as well…the postseason success hasn’t happened from a E8 or better standpoint, but it’s not just about that either.

 

[goldvol]

runs a clean program, gets top talent, has success at a high level. pay the man

 

[VolFreakJosh]

Interesting.

However, I don’t expect Barnes to coach anywhere else. Most likely he’ll retire here.

You could say last years team underachieved but to be fair, we had injuries and didn’t have a true PG to run the offense.

 

[Catbone]

Idk how to feel