Johnny Manziel and the NFL

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BearCat204 said:
Most scouts??? Link perhaps??
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Rang: Manziel's extraordinary athleticism deserves top billing. He's very elusive; possessing excellent vision, balance, lateral agility and acceleration. When in the pocket, he shows good accuracy in short to intermediate routes that every NFL offense uses (stop-fade, crossers, posts), often leading his receivers into extra yardage. He has enough zip for these throws and possesses impressive touch. When on the move, Manziel's accuracy drops slightly, but remains very effective.

In terms of the NFL, a potentially critical flaw for Manziel is that he currently possesses just average arm strength. This could potentially improve with greater muscle development. Manziel sports a compact, athletic build on his listed 6-1, 210-pound frame, but he's far from bulked up, especially in his arms.

Brugler: Based on film study, his best qualities are his natural instincts and ability to improvise mid-action, using both his arm and legs, to move the chains and extend drives. He isn't a "special" athlete like RG3, but he's very slippery with excellent athletic awareness, displaying unique 360-degree vision and feel to always know what's going on around him.

His size/arm strength are the biggest question marks for me. Yes, Russell Wilson and Drew Brees have found success as shorter passers, but they are the exception, not the rule, and both have more arm talent than Johnny Football, who is still a work in progress as a passer, physically and mentally.

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Manziel was one of the most effective and efficient passers in college football last season, but he lacks impressive arm talent. He doesn't put tremendous zip or velocity on his throws, and his ball tends to die at the end of deep tosses. Manziel is at his best making short and intermediate throws in the passing game. He quickly gets the ball out of his hands and routinely delivers accurate strikes to receivers on the move up to 15 yards out. The pinpoint placement of his throws allows receivers to pick up valuable yardage after each reception, which helps the Aggies' high-powered offense stay on schedule.

Manziel will occasionally push the ball down the field for an explosive completion (passes over 20 yards), but those throws are successful because of his excellent timing and anticipation -- not because of his arm strength. When he does go long, he is most consistently successful with post-corners on the smash concept (the outside receiver runs a hitch or a snag, with the slot receiver running a corner directed at 25 yards down the field) and with fade routes or seam patterns released quickly after three-step drops. In those instances, his throws rarely travel more than 40 yards in the air. Thus, these plays allow the Aggies to feature a vertical game without taxing Manziel's arm.

Johnny Manziel doesn't look like elite NFL quarterback prospect - NFL.com

Johnny Manziel must prove arm strength to NFL brass - NFL.com
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Don't know their names, but the kid from Louisville, UCF and Aaron Murray.

Manziel is gonna get killed in the NFL.... he's Tebow without the size.
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He has a better first move, stronger arm and more accurate arm than Tebow.

Not all mobile qbs are Tim Tebow.

He's more like Archie Manning. I really think he can develop into a Steve Young type. He doesn't have rocket power, but he's got more than enough arm strength to make it in the NFL. His biggest asset is the fact that he has amazing touch with his passes when he's on the move. As I've said in the multiple threads in the NCAA forum (where this thread belongs), if he can learn to avoid the big hit, he has a very good chance of being successful. The NFL is FULLY LOADED with cocky, arrogant, trash talking success stories.
 
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Russell Wilson has that incredible ability to scramble and create plays, and that's what Manziel does on a regular basis. If Manziel can improve his attitude and not let the spotlight get to him, he can succeed.
 
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gordonr24 said:
Russell Wilson has that incredible ability to scramble and create plays, and that's what Manziel does on a regular basis. If Manziel can improve his attitude and not let the spotlight get to him, he can succeed.
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After watching his "attitude" last night, I can't believe this is coming up. It's like no one parties or acts cocky in the NFL.
 
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gordonr24 said:
Russell Wilson has that incredible ability to scramble and create plays, and that's what Manziel does on a regular basis. If Manziel can improve his attitude and not let the spotlight get to him, he can succeed.
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This brings up an interesting question. How do you define success in the NFL? The history books are full of one hit wonders. Are they successful? Colin Cowherd (who I can't stand btw) said that even the most basic detective work would let you know that guys like Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell, Vince Young.. and many others.. were gonna be basket cases. What leads some of ya'll to believe that Manziel is going to be different than those guys? He has the maturity of Justin Bieber. Talent will only get you so far in that league.

... and I'll betcha that next year Russell Wilson will be average at best.
 
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I personally do not like this guys attitude. I think he talks to much. He just needs to play the game. I agree with some of the other posters. He needs to start sliding more. This running around in the NFL where every player has really great to blazing speed. Including some DL. But if i had to make the choice of who to draft. I wouldnt take him. I like Murray from Georgia. He would be my top choice at QB. Or Bridgewater. And even he may be a bust. He is a very good QB but the competition hasnt been that great in the big east so im not to impressed with his numbers.
 
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His style isn't suited for the NFL, IMO. He won't be able to escape linebackers and DEs because they are just as fast as him and NFL DBs should be much more disciplined and athletic so the "throw it up and hope something goes well" will be a huge detriment to him. Not to mention, his attitude is something that leads me to question his work ethic. Athleticism alone will not get you far in the NFL at the QB position.
 
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Godfatha said:
His style isn't suited for the NFL, IMO. He won't be able to escape linebackers and DEs because they are just as fast as him and NFL DBs should be much more disciplined and athletic so the "throw it up and hope something goes well" will be a huge detriment to him. Not to mention, his attitude is something that leads me to question his work ethic. Athleticism alone will not get you far in the NFL at the QB position.
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I was beginning to think i was the only one who noticed the attitude.
 
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UT Hill Man said:
I'm not kidding, and most scouts are saying the same thing. His arm strength is not up to NFL standards.

His lack of velocity makes some throws impossible for him to make, and being a QB in the NFL demands that you be able to make "all the throws".
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I don't have links to offer because they were audio interviews but I've personally heard Bill Polian and Luginbill rate him as having a "plus" arm. Luginbill knows his business and Polians credentials are numerous.
 
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I don't like the guy but the NFL will. Definitely a 1st round pick and probably the first QB to go. Unlike some poster in this thread he has a great arm, can make all the throws and although maybe a little short his ability to get outside makes up for that. He is Brett Farve incarnate.
 
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volfan_89 said:
Yeah scrambling around to avoid a pass rush or "street ball" as you call it never worked well for Archie Manning, RG3, Colin Kaepernick, Steve McNair, Russell Wilson, Cam Newton...
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Manning and McNair were coachable and played within their offensive schemes. The jury is certainly still out on RGIII. Didn't work real well for him in D.C. this year, did it? I will need to see more from Wilson and Newton before I compare them to Archie Manning. For that matter, someone in this thread already compared Manziel to Fran Tarkenton, lol. Premature, ya think?

I still say Manziel is undisciplined. He also can't seem to keep his mouth shut. Questionable leadership qualities IMO, and running around until a receiver breaks open does not equate to reading defenses well. It just speaks to the fact that DB's can't cover forever. NFL defenses will break Manziel.
 
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volfanbill said:
After watching his "attitude" last night, I can't believe this is coming up. It's like no one parties or acts cocky in the NFL.
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Maybe not, but it doesn't play well from rookie QB's. He tries that rah rah sh*t on most NFL rosters and he'll be told "STFU and get me some Gatorade, rookie".
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Aaron Murray? Good grief.
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Yeah, he might go in the 6th round to somebody like the Patriots or something.... :hi: Murray is smart and accurate. Manziel is a head case and had a great supporting cast that made him look a lot better than his real talents. He'll be selling weed in a Denver coffee shop in a couple of years.
 
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Fijivol72 said:
I don't like the guy but the NFL will. Definitely a 1st round pick and probably the first QB to go. Unlike some poster in this thread he has a great arm, can make all the throws and although maybe a little short his ability to get outside makes up for that. He is Brett Farve incarnate.
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I have a buck that says Houston takes Bridgewater with the first pick. Second QB taken will likely be Bortles out of Central Florida. Manziel will go in the first round, and someone will live to regret it.
 
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VFL1953 said:
Maybe not, but it doesn't play well from rookie QB's. He tries that rah rah sh*t on most NFL rosters and he'll be told "STFU and get me some Gatorade, rookie".
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I may not have seen everything but it looked to me like his teammates love him. He's definitely had a few public blunders but he's a winner (in the toughest conference in the sport) and he's clearly got talent. Tebow is a great example of how having a great public image has nothing to do with NFL success.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
I may not have seen everything but it looked to me like his teammates love him. He's definitely had a few public blunders but he's a winner (in the toughest conference in the sport) and he's clearly got talent. Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Todd Blackledge are great examples of how having a boatload of talent has nothing to do with NFL success.
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fixed it for ya.....
 
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