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It's the same in Florida. The guys on 1010 in Jacksonville said during UT-UF week that they hope Dooley survives the season, because he's a nice guy, and they enjoy his press conferences and interviews. They said if they could have a beer at a bar with any SEC coach, it would be Dooley.

Oh yeah, this is exactly what I want to hear opposing fans say about our head coach.
 
He may get a couple on name recognition but he would have a lot of ground to make up as far relationships go.

A couple???
You can't be serious.
Only a couple?

I think it would be somewhere in the middle, recruiting wise. With a head coach getting fired you almost always lose at least one recruit. But if you figure in Gruden's 'big name' as a head coach, it would open up a lot of interest in recruits that CDD had no shot at signing. But on the other hand, I don't
see us turning recruits away because we have all these 5*/4* players beating our door down to come play for Gruden. There's so much work involved in recruiting that a lot of people don't realize. A coach's name will only get you so far. You have to put a winning team on the field to stay relevant.
 
IMO, the impact Gruden would have on recruiting would compare to the schools that players flock to no matter who the HC is. (i.e FL, TX, SoCal)...at least for a couple of years anyway. I really hope CDD is the long term answer. I know he's making a lot of money but I like how he had the balls to come here despite the problems we were having. If CDD does end up getting fired this season or next, IMO UT couldn't make a better hire then Gruden.
 
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A true Interwebs gem that there is!!!!!:eek:lol:
 
First, I'm not a blogger. 2nd I'm no fan of basketball. What on earth you are ranting about?

Now, you speak of civilty yet curse at those that want a credible coach. Again, logic? We were foolish hiring Dooley. Undoing that mistake is a positive step.

I have my answers. It is up to you to find your own. Google is a great place to start.

Crap, sorry, I mistook you for someone else, obviously blinded by rage, my bad, disregard the last bit.

But, crud, man, I just was asking a legitimate question. I didn't follow Tampa when he coached there, all I've seen is what is on his wiki page and his TV appearances. People put him in the automatic win column and I just wanted to understand why.
 
Chucky needs to stay at ESPN or get back into coaching in the NFL. I don't think he has the patience to coach in college nor does he have what it takes to recruit. To recruit would require lots of time on the road and I don't think he has what it takes to win in college. There is a big difference in coaching in the NFL and college where you don't have all the practices you want and access to the players at any given time. Would be ashame to pay him 5 or 6 million a year and still be no better off than what we are now.

The one thing I am sure of and that is whatever happens mine or anyone else's opinion on here has zero impact on the outcome.
 
Crap, sorry, I mistook you for someone else, obviously blinded by rage, my bad, disregard the last bit.

But, crud, man, I just was asking a legitimate question. I didn't follow Tampa when he coached there, all I've seen is what is on his wiki page and his TV appearances. People put him in the automatic win column and I just wanted to understand why.

IMO, it is very difficult to judge a NFL to NCAA coach's skills/potential. Especially using winning percentage. The NFL is a whole different monster when compared to college. It all depends on the situation the head coach was in at the time. Some franchises let there coach control personnel moves and some don't. Some share that duty between the head coach and GM. Some owners thank they make all of the football decisions (i.e. Jerry Jones). But Jerry handed the keys to Jason Garrett so his situation is completely different than Wade Phillips' tenure. There's also such a small margin of error in the pros. That's why teams will finish last in their division this year but win it next year with basically the same team. There's not a huge difference in a 5-11 team and a 10-6 playoff team.
 
As a former offensive lineman, I am on the defensive about your offesive comments on offense......:cray:

In my earlier years, I shared the trenches with you. In my later years, I saw the light, but a nice play on words nonetheless.
 
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If Gruden had not been a GA for one year here and married a UT cheerleader and won a SB his first year with the Bucs, no one on here would be talking about hiring him.
 
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Crap, sorry, I mistook you for someone else, obviously blinded by rage, my bad, disregard the last bit.

But, crud, man, I just was asking a legitimate question. I didn't follow Tampa when he coached there, all I've seen is what is on his wiki page and his TV appearances. People put him in the automatic win column and I just wanted to understand why.

Nothing is automatic, but there's a reason he's highly thought of.

As to the confusion, it happens. Don't sweat it.
 
Crap, sorry, I mistook you for someone else, obviously blinded by rage, my bad, disregard the last bit.

But, crud, man, I just was asking a legitimate question. I didn't follow Tampa when he coached there, all I've seen is what is on his wiki page and his TV appearances. People put him in the automatic win column and I just wanted to understand why.

Here's my 2 cents

When the talk of Gruden came up years ago, like everyone else I was interested and excited. Here's a guy that won a SB so lets bring him to the Hill to coach. So I started looking at his resume. Of course there's the SB and its glaring. There's no doubt that its special and no one can take it away. Backed into it or not he's got it.

I then looked at his past. When he worked in the college ranks he was a position coach. That's all. No coordinator position. Doesnt give me a good feeling.

Then I see that the last time he was active in college football was 21 years ago. IMO, huge red flag. Unlike the NFL where players are either drafted or picked up on FA, you must actively go out and be a sales man for kids to come to the school. There's alot of change in 21 years and you have to know how to court those kids as well as the specific guidelines for recruiting those kids or you'll be in deep doo-doo. One slip up and the NCAA will sanction the s__t out of you. I just feel all those years away from college add to his learning curve of college football. Not a good fit for us.

I then started looking at his NFL resume as a coach. Before he got to Oak they were 4-12. He begins to build. 8-8, 8-8, 12-4, 10-6. Not shabby work. Then he's traded to TB. Not a quit or a firing - a trade. Why - because the owner wanted a more vertical passing attack and not the hortizontal pass attach Gruden used Plus Oak got two 1st round picks and $8mill. That's the owners call. And the immediate benefit was TB who in that first year won their SB. Not sure if that offensive mind set will work for us or in the SEC.

Then there's the next 6 seasons. 45-51. Only 2 playoff appearences losing both in the wild card game. Big red flag. If he was such a great coach then his record should have been much better than .500. Remove the SB and I'm not ready to say he's an elite coach.

So there's the SB win and the building up of Oak.

On the other hand
*there's no cfb coaching experience (hc or coordinator)
*a tremendously long period since coaching in college
*no coordinator experience
*21 yrs since he recruited
*a offensive philosophy of hortizonal instead of vertical passing (I dont think this will work in the SEC)
*a sub .500 record after winning a big title
*has been out of coaching since 2009.

There's too many negatives for me to back him.

Could Gruden be a good cfb coach? Absolutely. In fact any coach can. Classic example is Gene Stallings at Bama who was an aweful HC for Arizona yet excelled at Bama. Does it mean he will or wont? no.
Could he recruit players? Well sure. He starts with a name but at some point he's got to win or his name means nothing.

I just dont believe that we the Vols are despreate enough now to make a huge investment into a coach that has that much of a risk. There are alot of coaches out there that have experience and are proven. We dont need another Al Davis reject.

Yet.
 
Here's my 2 cents

When the talk of Gruden came up years ago, like everyone else I was interested and excited. Here's a guy that won a SB so lets bring him to the Hill to coach. So I started looking at his resume. Of course there's the SB and its glaring. There's no doubt that its special and no one can take it away. Backed into it or not he's got it.

I then looked at his past. When he worked in the college ranks he was a position coach. That's all. No coordinator position. Doesnt give me a good feeling.

Then I see that the last time he was active in college football was 21 years ago. IMO, huge red flag. Unlike the NFL where players are either drafted or picked up on FA, you must actively go out and be a sales man for kids to come to the school. There's alot of change in 21 years and you have to know how to court those kids as well as the specific guidelines for recruiting those kids or you'll be in deep doo-doo. One slip up and the NCAA will sanction the s__t out of you. I just feel all those years away from college add to his learning curve of college football. Not a good fit for us.

I then started looking at his NFL resume as a coach. Before he got to Oak they were 4-12. He begins to build. 8-8, 8-8, 12-4, 10-6. Not shabby work. Then he's traded to TB. Not a quit or a firing - a trade. Why - because the owner wanted a more vertical passing attack and not the hortizontal pass attach Gruden used Plus Oak got two 1st round picks and $8mill. That's the owners call. And the immediate benefit was TB who in that first year won their SB. Not sure if that offensive mind set will work for us or in the SEC.

Then there's the next 6 seasons. 45-51. Only 2 playoff appearences losing both in the wild card game. Big red flag. If he was such a great coach then his record should have been much better than .500. Remove the SB and I'm not ready to say he's an elite coach.

So there's the SB win and the building up of Oak.

On the other hand
*there's no cfb coaching experience
*a tremendously long period since coaching in college
*no coordinator experience
*21 yrs since he recruited
*a offensive philosophy of hortizonal instead of vertical passing (I dont think this will work in the SEC)
*a sub .500 record after winning a big title
*has been out of coaching since 2009.

There's too many negatives for me to back him.

Could Gruden be a good cfb coach? Absolutely. In fact any coach can. Classic example is Gene Stallings at Bama who was an aweful HC for Arizona yet excelled at Bama. Does it mean he will or wont? no.
Could he recruit players? Well sure. He starts with a name but at some point he's got to win or his name means nothing.

I just dont believe that we the Vols are despreate enough now to make a huge investment into a coach that has that much of a risk. There are alot of coaches out there that have experience and are proven. We dont need another Al Davis reject.

Yet.


That was closer to $2
 
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