Josh Dobbs Article

#51
#51
I hope he is right about Dobbs talent and if he has the talent to start as a freshman, I say let him play because the talent will leave early for the NFL.
 
#52
#52
If either freshman starts over Justin or Peterman, there will be an immediate transfer from one if not both of them. That has to be taken into consideration also.

But yes if one of the true freshman plays like johnny football, then yes by all means we have to start them.

This however is highly unlikely IMO.
 
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I think Dobbs and Ferguson will both be redshirted at the beginning of the year. As was said in an earlier response, Jones recruited Peterman very hard at Cincinnati and Peterman will probally end of being the starter at the beginning of the year or within first 2-3 games. If Peteman struggles then Worley will get a shot. And I'm sure that Dobbs or Ferguson will both get a shot if neither of the previous named QBs establishes himself as "the man". Worley was a fine HS QB but this system doesn't fit him well at all. IMO he will probally end up transferring to a DII school for a year and then back to DI for his senior year where he can run a pro-style offense. There is no doubt that Dobbs is an extremly intelligent and athletic young man but Riley Ferguson is no slouch. Vols have plenty of options to go with over the next 3-4 years. It will be interesting to watch and see how it all unfolds.
 
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GABGIOGERAUG said:
I think Dobbs and Ferguson will both be redshirted at the beginning of the year. As was said in an earlier response, Jones recruited Peterman very hard at Cincinnati and Peterman will probally end of being the starter at the beginning of the year or within first 2-3 games. If Peteman struggles then Worley will get a shot. And I'm sure that Dobbs or Ferguson will both get a shot if neither of the previous named QBs establishes himself as "the man". Worley was a fine HS QB but this system doesn't fit him well at all. IMO he will probally end up transferring to a DII school for a year and then back to DI for his senior year where he can run a pro-style offense. There is no doubt that Dobbs is an extremly intelligent and athletic young man but Riley Ferguson is no slouch. Vols have plenty of options to go with over the next 3-4 years. It will be interesting to watch and see how it all unfolds.
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How is Worley "not at all fit" for this offense? All the spring reports so far have him outperforming Peterman.
 
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#56
I discounted Worley early on in this competition in favor of Peterman. Mostly due to some idealized image I built into his recruitment...knowing better because we want the QB that has the best mental grasp of this offense without having to overthink. As long as each candidate can make the required throws then Butch will pick the best one
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#57
#57
It's premature to say how well Dobbs is going to be when he hasn't taken a snap under center at the collegiate level. Wish him the best as UT needs a good to great QB for a change.
 
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Vol4life25 said:
Dark horse??

Racist IMO
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No, but these "media" people who automatically tag any and all black QBs as a "dual threat" QB are. Check out the Dobbs video. He is a pro style, pocket passer... extraordinarily gifted in the pocket as that. Oh yes, the video shows him faking a run to draw a defender in and completing a pass over the defenders head.
 
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#59
I don't see any of the freshmen seeing the field in 2013. Knowing the offense, making the right reads, and calls at a very fast pace is too much for an incoming freshmen to digest.
 
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Volru said:
...these "media" people who automatically tag any and all black QBs as a "dual threat" ... Oh yes, the video shows him faking a run to draw a defender in and completing a pass over the defenders head.
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Tyler Bray, Casey Clausen, nor Peyton Manning ever made such a play at UT in my remembrance. Remember Tebow's fake runs that froze LBs time after time? You can't do that w/out a reputation. The kid must have some pretty good wheels. I hope he does too.
 
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Volru said:
No, but these "media" people who automatically tag any and all black QBs as a "dual threat" QB are. Check out the Dobbs video. He is a pro style, pocket passer... extraordinarily gifted in the pocket as that. Oh yes, the video shows him faking a run to draw a defender in and completing a pass over the defenders head.
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Espn actually lisyed him as a pocket passer, but Dobbs also has more running highlights than any of our other guys.

He's not a speedster but he's a shifty runner. If he bulks up he could be a threat with his legs in the way Andrew Luck was in college: he won't run away for huge gains too often, but he's definitely a threat to convert some third downs and take what the defense gives him.

He is more athletic than our other QBs. It's not really close.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
You must not remember when Kiffin was forced to start the Sullins twins or Dooley had to start Joseph Ayres at DT. We have the best OL in the conference this year. Total turnaround.
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BJ inherited less talent at rb,wr, qb, db, and lb. Dooley didn't bring in but a couple top 200 players.
 
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Rudy123 said:
I guess we will have to wait and see! I remember how we were impressed by Brent S. when he started against UNLV and played well. However; by week #4, Ainge was the starter and Schafer barely saw the field.

Dobbs seems to have a couple of things going for him that Schafer was lacking. Dobbs will probably be able to learn the complete offense quickly and Dobbs will probably not make any boneheaded off the field decisions...

It may turn out differently this time...
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Yeah...except that Schaefer saved Ainge's rear end against S. Carolina that year....Who knows....but I bet at least one or both of the freshman QBs red-shirts.
 
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k-town_king said:
BJ inherited less talent at rb,wr, qb, db, and lb. Dooley didn't bring in but a couple top 200 players.
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I hate these comparisons, and not taking up for Doofus at all, but just for comparing ROSTERS inherited:

Dooley inherited:

RB: Poole and Oku
WR: G. Jones, and D. Moore; Z. Rogers
QB: Matt Simms, and FR Tyler Bray
LB: Austin Johnson, Lamarcus Thompson, Vereen, Nick Reveiz, Lathers, and S. Frazier
DB: Art Evans, PW, Rod Wilks, Eric Gordon, J. Jackson

CBJ inherited:

RB: Neal, M. Lane,
WR: Dallas, Pig, Croom, D. Young, Bowles,
QB: Worley, Peterman, Dobbs, Ferguson
LB: AJ Johnson, Maggitt, B. Brewer, Sapp, Fugate, Propst, Bynum,
DB: Randolph, B. Moore, E. Gordon?, Orta, Coleman, L. McNeil, T. Thomas, D. Gray,

This doesn't count the incoming recruiting classes for each coach--but it's easy to see that CBJ has better material and talent than CDD inherited at every position listed except maybe LB--and it ain't even close.

And this is without even mentioning OL, DL, TEs...maybe CDD had a little advantage at TE--but no doubt that CBJ has inherited a MUCH better OL & DL.

Cheney sucks as an OC and we'll all see that with Bielema at Arky...Bielema will demand a physical run game and Cheney won't be able to deliver.

HOWEVER--we all KNOW we're better off with CBJ, but he STILL has to get it done on the field--and no reason to doubt that he will! GO VOLS! :salute:
 
#69
#69
Dobbs will redshirt. Almost sure of it. I think the team is in pretty good hands with Worley and Peterman this year.
 
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JettVol said:
If either freshman starts over Justin or Peterman, there will be an immediate transfer from one if not both of them. That has to be taken into consideration also.
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No, what has to be considered is who gives us the best chance to win on Saturday. If CBJ is making starting decisions based on who may or may not tranfer then we're in serious trouble.
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Darth_Shiveman said:
How is Worley "not at all fit" for this offense? All the spring reports so far have him outperforming Peterman.
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A dual-threat QB fits into CBJ system better that a pocket-passer, that's what I meant by not a good fit for CBJ offense. I'm not saying that I don't want Worley to be the starter. If he is outperforming Peterman then wonderful. I wish all of the players the best of luck and hope they all do very well. However, there isn't enough room for 4 QB as highly rated as these 4 were coming out of high school on one roster. Someone is going to transfer, plus Charlie High was one hell of a high school QB, who could very well surprise some people.
 
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livefaith said:
Tyler Bray, Casey Clausen, nor Peyton Manning ever made such a play at UT in my remembrance. Remember Tebow's fake runs that froze LBs time after time? You can't do that w/out a reputation. The kid must have some pretty good wheels. I hope he does too.
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Clausen ran fairly well and did pull it down and run if he had too. I don't remember any designed run plays for him though. Manning ran a pretty mean bootleg, scoring on it at least a couple of times. Manning also faked runs either rolling out or scrambling to draw the defender in just like in the Dobbs video. I've seen Peyton do that many times. Of course, Tyler Bray is our slowest QB in history.

I really don't think we will see many designed run plays for Dobbs, occasionally maybe, but I like how cool and aware he looks in the pocket.
 
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Volru said:
Clausen ran fairly well and did pull it down and run if he had too. I don't remember any designed run plays for him though. Manning ran a pretty mean bootleg, scoring on it at least a couple of times. Manning also faked runs either rolling out or scrambling to draw the defender in just like in the Dobbs video. I've seen Peyton do that many times. Of course, Tyler Bray is our slowest QB in history.

I really don't think we will see many designed run plays for Dobbs, occasionally maybe, but I like how cool and aware he looks in the pocket.
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Casey Clausen looked liked his legs weren't connected to his body when he ran. He looked like a cross between a Tenn Walking Horse prancing and an octopus flailing on dry land.
 
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Volru said:
Clausen ran fairly well and did pull it down and run if he had too. I don't remember any designed run plays for him though. Manning ran a pretty mean bootleg, scoring on it at least a couple of times. Manning also faked runs either rolling out or scrambling to draw the defender in just like in the Dobbs video. I've seen Peyton do that many times. Of course, Tyler Bray is our slowest QB in history.

I really don't think we will see many designed run plays for Dobbs, occasionally maybe, but I like how cool and aware he looks in the pocket.
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I will guess you haven't been a long time follower so look at some footage of Dewey Warren. Dewey once said "they didn't bring me in here to run, I'm here to throw the tater". One of my all time favorite vols and he helped turn the program around. Dewey's QB rollout for the winning TD against UCLA in the Rosebonnet Bowl took longer in real time than Burt Reynolds run in slow mo in The Longest Yard.
 
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Volru said:
Clausen ran fairly well and did pull it down and run if he had too. I don't remember any designed run plays for him though. Manning ran a pretty mean bootleg, scoring on it at least a couple of times. Manning also faked runs either rolling out or scrambling to draw the defender in just like in the Dobbs video. I've seen Peyton do that many times. Of course, Tyler Bray is our slowest QB in history.

I really don't think we will see many designed run plays for Dobbs, occasionally maybe, but I like how cool and aware he looks in the pocket.
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If Dobbs wins the job (or if, I guess, assuming the kid is on campus 4 of 5 years for his degree) they will most definitely add some wrinkles to the offense for him to run. I'm not saying we'll do like SC with Shaw or UF did with tebow and have him run 20 times a game, but there will be plays that allow him to tuck it and run.
 
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