Josh Heupel “We’re going to play Elite Defense”

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LittleVol said:
Well as I said before.

Were recruiting and playing 2 starting defenses. The first 22 are getting about the same amount of snaps (75 % /together)
3rd defense getting 25%.

Not a lot teams are doing that because they don't play as many snaps as our defense (because of what you're mentioning)

It's not 11 guys getting ran through all game like in 2021....
We need about 33 guys that are SEC starter material just for defense. We had maybe 17 last year?
Less the year before.
I'm thinking were closer to 22 now.
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IMO, we are about 2 or 3 elite CBs (hopefully the freshmen will pan out), and 3-4 elite safeties (not sure we have any), and 2 elite DTs (besides Omari Thomas) away from really being to that point and you have to have that every year so it'll take a few recruiting cycles to get there and still might be challenging.
 
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Megatron88 said:
It will be remembered as the Knoxville Reckoning !
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Having been around a few years, I've seen lots of "revenge" games that did not follow the script. I dunno if those were due to over-excitement by the revengers, or Vegas capitalizing on the sure bet, but remember this...

SC will come in here exactly as they entered last season's game: carrying no expectations from the football world and free to play all out with nothing to lose.
 
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I don’t see how the offense being effective and scoring quickly necessarily prevents the defense from being effective and getting off the field quickly. To me the defense is on the field a lot because of their bend but don’t break philosophy that lets opponents hold the ball and rack up yardage so long as they don’t score.
 
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sjt18 said:
Disagree but I don't think that can be resolved objectively. The '21 UK game was really bad too. It is those games where his talent is equal or maybe even better but he can't get off the field that make me question him.
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I mean I’m not going to argue to much bc I’m still on the fence. Again Carolina is inexcusable but we really had no secondary. We can point to recruiting number and talent but we don’t have much developed and healthy talent in the secondary. Year one we didn’t even have the bodies much less the health at the position to be competitive in some games. Year two numbers improve but we had some health issues as well.
 
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VAVol85 said:
I don’t see how the offense being effective and scoring quickly necessarily prevents the defense from being effective and getting off the field quickly. To me the defense is on the field a lot because of their bend but don’t break philosophy that lets opponents hold the ball and rack up yardage so long as they don’t score.
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It doesn’t, and when Heupel took over we had zero depth on D. We have the coaches now and we have coached players up and are developing depth on both sides of the ball. People are fixing to find out about our D!!! GBO
 
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Im concerned very much about the offensive line (again) and suspect that we will perhaps have many more 3 and outs on our offense than we are used to under CJH…..but, this defense just may step up and keep us in games (creating some 3 and outs of their own) and give time for Coach Joey H to learn his way into the job and design a way around some slow starts in a few games. Thats my feeling at this point any way. There just might be some lower scoring games early in the season than many assume.
 
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HiltonHeadVol said:
Im concerned very much about the offensive line (again) and suspect that we will perhaps have many more 3 and outs on our offense than we are used to under CJH…..but, this defense just may step up and keep us in games (creating some 3 and outs of their own) and give time for Coach Joey H to learn his way into the job and design a way around some slow starts in a few games. Thats my feeling at this point any way. There just might be some lower scoring games early in the season than many assume.
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I’m not worried about the OL. We won’t have anyone as good as Darnell, but we will be solid and experienced at every position and deeper than this year. IMO Elarbee is a great coach and he has a long term plan that will provide consistently good OLs.
 
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BruisedOrange said:
Having been around a few years, I've seen lots of "revenge" games that did not follow the script. I dunno if those were due to over-excitement by the revengers, or Vegas capitalizing on the sure bet, but remember this...

SC will come in here exactly as they entered last season's game: carrying no expectations from the football world and free to play all out with nothing to lose.
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I disagree we play them in September next year teams still have optimism that early. We played them late November and about all their RBs were injured and some terrible losses. So they said we are just gonna throw it around and see what happens, with nothing to lose. So they beat UT & Clemson back to back, saved their year and took Beamer from hot seat to hey this dude can coach. They went from 38 to 6 loss to inept Florida & loss to Missouri , to Dang how'd that happen, beating 2 potential playoff teams. Then they played tight and proceeded to lose to Notre Dame in Bowl game.
 
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wmcovol said:
Every one of us here knew the defense was in **** shape when he came in yet many draw conclusions from the last 2 yrs.
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It still boggles my mind how bad our defense was with Pruitt. Defense was supposed to be his thing. I guess it just shows how good talent like what they had at Bama can make a coach look.
 
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HiltonHeadVol said:
Im concerned very much about the offensive line (again) and suspect that we will perhaps have many more 3 and outs on our offense than we are used to under CJH…..but, this defense just may step up and keep us in games (creating some 3 and outs of their own) and give time for Coach Joey H to learn his way into the job and design a way around some slow starts in a few games. Thats my feeling at this point any way. There just might be some lower scoring games early in the season than many assume.
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CJH is the real play caller on offense - Joey H is just along for the ride. If the offense stumbles it will be due to new starters not performing at the same level as the guys that left. JMO
 
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BruisedOrange said:
Having been around a few years, I've seen lots of "revenge" games that did not follow the script. I dunno if those were due to over-excitement by the revengers, or Vegas capitalizing on the sure bet, but remember this...

SC will come in here exactly as they entered last season's game: carrying no expectations from the football world and free to play all out with nothing to lose.
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And it will be so loud they won't be able to remember their sister's name when they have the ball.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
Auburn in 2010 I think. They were ranked in the 50's. They also had Cam Newton and it was kind of a weird year where no one really had an elite defense. If you go back to 2009 (which is how far cfbstats.com goes back), I think there are 3 national champions who were not Top 10 (2019 LSU, 2014 OSU and 2010 AUB). Most of the rest were either # 1 or # 2. LSU and OSU's defenses improved greatly those years as the season went on and were elite by playoff time. Auburn with Cam Newton is really the major outlier. I'm going off memory, but I've looked into this several times. There might be one more that was outside the Top 10 but it was like No. 14 or something.

EDIT: okay, my OCD has made me look it up.

2022, UGA, No. 5, 14.3 pts per game
2021, UGA, No. 1, 10.2 pts per game
2020, Bama, No. 13, 19.4 pts per game
2019, LSU, No. 31, 21.7 pts per game
2018, Clemson, No. 1, 13.1 pts per game
2017, Bama, No. 1, 11.9 pts per game
2016, Clemson, No. 10, 18.0 pts per game
2015, Bama, No. 2, 15.1 pts per game
2014, OSU, No. 26, 22.0 pts per game
2013, FSU, No. 1, 12.1 pts per game
2012, Bama, No. 1, 10.9 pts per game
2011, Bama, No. 1, 8.2 pts per game
2010, Aub, No. 53, 24.1 pts per game
2009, Bama, No. 2, 11.7 pts per game
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Nice! Thank you!
 
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The Vols played some pretty good defense in some games—Pittsburgh and Clemson. They showed the willingness to hit most of the time. A lot of the problems related to talent, especially on the back end. If they can get SEC talent, they can play SEC defense. DB recruiting took a step toward doing that last year. Now, we have to see what it looks like on the field.
 
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Orange-U-Glad said:
The Vols played some pretty good defense in some games—Pittsburgh and Clemson. They showed the willingness to hit most of the time. A lot of the problems related to talent, especially on the back end. If they can get SEC talent, they can play SEC defense. DB recruiting took a step toward doing that last year. Now, we have to see what it looks like on the field.
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And LSU in that list. I was there and late in the 3rd Qtr, LSU had less than 200 yds offense down 37-7. They padded stats those last 2 80+ yd drives vs backups
 
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