Josh Heupel emerges (old thread)

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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
My point is EXACTLY that. Recruiting is going to suck for a couple of years. We fired our HC and 2 assistants WITH CAUSE and our entire recruiting office staff AND our Chancellor and President said "we were stunned by the extent of the violations."

That I'm expecting big-time NCAA sanctions is surprising to you? Why?
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Depends how you define big time. I'm not insinuating that we're going to get top 10 classes through this. Haha. Will we be able to get enough talent to field a competitive team? Absolutely. I bet that we win more than three games. Haha.
 
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Ok, here's what's going to happen. Danny White tries to hire a coach. Any coach. People are upset. Phil Fulmer, once again steps in to save the program. White is fired along with his coaching hire. Phil becomes AD. Again. Next thing you know, he hires Dale Jones, DC at Appy State. Phil extends Jones, BEFORE he is hired. Phil extends himself, as well, with a 'lifetime contract'. Phil becomes national spokesperson for McDonalds. McDonald's starts selling "Shaklee Shakes". I wake up in cold chills and never eat hot wings before bedtime again.
 
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turnuptheVOLtage said:
Yeah so we’re just never going to find replacements for our recruiting staff... right. Calm down man 😂
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Calm. But you seem to want to poo poo all of this and think a "good coach hire" fixes it.

First, a truly good coach won't come near us until sanctions are known and nearly gone. Simply why?

Second, recruits are going to be hard to approach with likely restricted visits, evals, scholarships. True or False?

Third, we'll have hell finding a coach of caliber who wants to put out a dumpster fire. Most likely we'll struggle to beat .500 in conference.

What can we expect? Do you SERIOUSLY think UT is still a "destination school" for 4* and 5* recruits?
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Agreed. Tons of people wanted Frost during our last search but not Heupel.Frost was 19-7 at UCF and Heupel is 28-8..So why Frost and not Heupel. I swear some of these fans are worse than some of the Bammer and Auburn fans I deal with on the regular. Makes no damn sense. I love my Vols but some of these fans are the reason why our fanbase is considered one of the most annoying and ignorant around. Just seeing some of the fans on here and Tritter it's definitely warranted. Atleast the stupid Bammer and Tiger fans are the same year around and not bipolar as hell. Takes a few fans to ruin it for the rest of us.
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Frost was at UCF two years. First year under Frost, UCF won 6 and lost 7. The second year he went 13-0. The trouble with Huepel's three year record at UCF is that it trended down, from excellent to good to mediocre -- 12-1, 10-3, 6-4. Not saying he is a bad coach, but a downtrending head coach is a questionable hire.
 
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leon said:
Did Jamey Chadwell turn the job down? My first choice from the beginning.
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He was in my top 5 for sure. Not sure why his name isn’t coming up more. Some reports are he hasn’t even been talked to and if that’s true and we are bargain basement shopping already bring him in now
 
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HiltonHeadVol said:
It seems to me that you are focusing on a couple of fools on Social Media and attributing that crap to us, the larger fanbase. Much like DW who idiotically requested that we "text our friends if we are frustrated". One has to be able to recognize a handful of absolute attention seekers that use a open social platform to get said attention and then have someone like you sort of imply that we Tenn fans are perhaps a group of "mouthbreathers". This is the same technique used by ESPN to smear us a a fanbase, and I for one am just tired of this absurd categorizing of us. If you feel the need to group and label the entire TN fandom, then you can go elsewhere too.
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You are really struggling to comprehend what I'm saying here. That small group of people who want to Schiano ( which was 100% bs ) someone are what categorizes this fan base, fair or not and for that reason UT is the laughing stock in coaching circles and among recruits. UT fans on social media are annoying, it's not funny, I know everyone likes to say Vol twitter is undefeated but in reality they haven't won anything. Have the last few hires sucked? Yes, is JH a good coach? Yes, is he going to make it at UT? Not sure, it's going to be tough for anyone to survive with what's getting ready to come down. Again, stop trying to play the victim here, I get it everyone thought some "white whale" was coming here because this person said it on a message board or the radio station hinted at it but in reality this place is bottom 3rd in the conference now. They brought someone in to fix that, he can't snap his fingers and make it happen overnight. I'm telling you what Fulmer and Pruitt did has set this place back an additional 10 years. You'll find out soon enough.
 
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Vol Main said:
Frost was at UCF two years. First year under Frost, UCF won 6 and lost 7. The second year he went 13-0. The trouble with Huepel's three year record at UCF is that it trended down, from excellent to good to mediocre -- 12-1, 10-3, 6-4. Not saying he is a bad coach, but a downtrending head coach is a questionable hire.
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Frost was basically the Billy Napier of 2017. He took over a 0-12 team, went bowling in year one, and was undefeated in year two. If Frost had stayed around a few more seasons, maybe the shine would have come off the apple but he got out while the getting was good. Heupel inherited a team that went undefeated the year before he arrived and as you point out he appears to be backsliding similar to what Battle did here when he took over for Dickey. I don’t think UT hired White to make a Heupel-level hire and if that’s what we have to settle for you can go ahead and put another AD and coaching search on your calendar for 2024.

Just grow a damn pair and hire Freeze. How hard can it be?
 
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28-8 Coaching record , hmmm. Runnerup for Heisman in 2000, Consensus All-American quarterback. Guy might be a diamond in the rough waiting for the big break in the big leagues.
Interesting.
 
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RhodesVol said:
Whether he is the guy or not. I think it's not necessarily fair to say he's regressed each year. Has he been undefeated every season? No, but I found a look at the stats and circumstances interesting.

In 2018, the team returned their veteran starting QB, McKenzie Milton. They finished the regular season undefeated, and Milton suffered that horrendous knee injury in the final game.
2018 offensive numbers: 3347 yards passing and 29 touchdowns; 3459 rushing yards and 42 touchdowns.

2019 saw Heupel starting a true freshman quarterback, Gabriel. They finish the year 10-3. The offense hums again.
2019 offensive numbers: 4117 passing yards for 36 touchdowns; 2923 rushing yards for 34 touchdowns.

In 2020, the team had ten players opt out prior to the season beginning, including multiple starters. The offense in 10 games put up the following numbers: 3574 passing yards and 32 touchdowns; 2107 rushing yards and 23 touchdowns.

So, in three seasons, Heupel's offense put up 196 touchdowns. By comparison, we have scored 88 touchdowns in the past three years.

Do they play in a lesser conference? Yes. Did they have a disappointing 2020? Yes. Would I rather have some other candidates? Also yes.

Is this the worst possible hire? I don't think so. That doesn't mean it's good enough, but it may be as good as we can do.
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Cmon man, get out of here with facts and stuff. Seriously, anyone who overlooks # of opt outs is missing the point. UT had DeAngelo Gibbs opt out this season. And Ramel Keaton and Cimaglia did late in the year. That’s nothing.

UCF lost 4 games, and 2 were to BYU and Cincinnati. And the other 2 games were to teams that won 8 and 6 games.
 
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OllVol said:
Ok, here's what's going to happen. Danny White tries to hire a coach. Any coach. People are upset. Phil Fulmer, once again steps in to save the program. White is fired along with his coaching hire. Phil becomes AD. Again. Next thing you know, he hires Dale Jones, DC at Appy State. Phil extends Jones, BEFORE he is hired. Phil extends himself, as well, with a 'lifetime contract'. Phil becomes national spokesperson for McDonalds. McDonald's starts selling "Shaklee Shakes". I wake up in cold chills and never eat hot wings before bedtime again.
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Fulmer will never hold a position in the athletic depot. He’s getting paid. We’re even.
 
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Vol Main said:
Frost was at UCF two years. First year under Frost, UCF won 6 and lost 7. The second year he went 13-0. The trouble with Huepel's three year record at UCF is that it trended down, from excellent to good to mediocre -- 12-1, 10-3, 6-4. Not saying he is a bad coach, but a downtrending head coach is a questionable hire.
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Year two he had to start a true freshman QB due to his qb going down with an injury.... this past season almost an entire unit.... 10 guys opted out.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
They played a short season, and had a bunch of opt outs just before they season started. Before those players opted out they were the preseason favorite to win the conference over Cincinnati and were ranked in the top 25.
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Guess which other teams dealt with covid this past season? All of them. Guess who else was ranked pre season? Tennessee. Who gives a sh** about pre season rankings? The fact is, he inherited an undefeated team and his record has steadily gotten worse all the way down to 6 wins. He’s a turd sandwich of a hire if it happens.
 
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turnuptheVOLtage said:
** Reposting this because our fans obviously won’t lookup the context surrounding his tenure so far at UCF:

2018- 12-1
-Gave LSU all they wanted in NY6 game. Lost 40-32 back when LSU had a sick defense.
-Also lost star QB, Milton McKenzie, last regular season game. Still won conference championship over a really good Memphis team.
-Destroyed Pitt by 5 TDs.
-I don't care what level or talent you have if you go 12-1 against really good conference competition you can coach. That doesn't just happen.

2019- had to play a freshman with no McKenzie and he ate.... went 10-3.
-Beat Stanford by 3 TDs
-Lost to Pitt by 1 @ Pitt who had a stacked NFL player loaded defense and still dropped 34 points losing by 1.
-Lost to a really good Cincy team @ Cincy by a FG
-Lost @ Tulsa by a FG.
-Destroyed Marshall in bowl game by 4 TDs.

Again a freshman QB and averaged 43.3 PPG.

2020- 6-4

-Posters ITT telling me they had around 10 players opt out
-Destroyed Georgia Tech 49-21
-Lost to a really good Tulsa team by a TD. Tulsa lost to Ok State by 9, Miss State by 2 and Cincy by 3.
-Lost to Memphis by 1 point
-Lost to Cincy by 3 who turned out to be a Top 10 team in the country. Scored 33 on that Luke Fickell defense.
-Lost bowl game to a buzzsaw BYU team with a QB who is about to go Top 5.

Averaged 41 PPG.
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I tried but I don't find this as impressive as you do. You are trying to build up teams as Tulsa. Pitt. Cincy as if they are perennial top 10 powerhouses as if they are like Florida, Georgia and Alabama.
"Destroyed Marshall in bowl game by 4 TDs" is just not doing anything for me. Have anything else?
Heupel fired from Oklahoma...indication he cannot cut it against real perennial powerhouse schools?
If what I'm reading is true, UCF fans won't be too broken up over Heupel leaving.
 
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615vols said:
Guess which other teams dealt with covid this past season? All of them. Guess who else was ranked pre season? Tennessee. Who gives a sh** about pre season rankings? The fact is, he inherited an undefeated team and his record has steadily gotten worse all the way down to 6 wins. He’s a turd sandwich of a hire if it happens.
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While I agree that CJH shouldn’t be the hire for a number of reasons
Let’s not act like Scott Frost is some supper coach that CJH is just lucky enough to follow. CSF has been no better that CJP
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tvolsfan said:
The only thing he was waiting for us UCF to fire him.
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The guy is a cross between Pruitt and Chaney. He saw his record tail off because he was living off of what Frost left him. You give him what's left of Pruitt's roster and we'll give 3-7 a serious run for "it can't get any worse".
 
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CAVPUT said:
The guy is a cross between Pruitt and Chaney. He saw his record tail off because he was living off of what Frost left him. You give him what's left of Pruitt's roster and we'll give 3-7 a serious run for "it can't get any worse".
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Frost didn’t build anything.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Why? What are they saying?
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Making wild claims about how many coaches have turned us down, but not naming names of course. How would they know, it’s pretty well-established this time that everyone is still in the dark. Scolding the “fringe” fanbase for causing trouble on social media and questioning the possible hire of JH.
 
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tennesseeduke said:
Josh Heupel checks all the boxes.Seems to be the best Available for us. Could work to get us through the mess, could be great long term! Reminds me of Coach Cut.

HC 3 yrs
Offensive mind
High profile coordinator at Oklahoma and Utah st
New AD comfortable with
Great recruiter

I’m good with him!
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He’s not a great recruiter. At least not according to UCF fans.
 
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