Josh Selby Decommits from Tennessee

#76
#76
Hardwood_fanatic said:
I would still wait it out you guys, and see it become official. However if true, sorry to hear it for you guys on the same hand. Thats a loss you don't want, attitude or not.
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Well it looks as if it has become official by the sounds of it. But lucky theres still plenty of time. And when it comes to a PG, I tend to believe that a 3 or 4 star would suffice for most college programs. When you sign a 3-4 star PG, you are getting a 3 or 4 year player, who will have plenty of time to develop. His freshman season, he just needs to get the offense into motion, be able to handle pressure, and get an occasional bucket. Ramel Bradley immediatly comes to mind since I'm a UK fan..he was a 3 star PG coming out of NYC, and by his senior season, he was almost averaging 20 PPG. Bottom line is I think Pearl will get the job done, and find a perfect fit for UT. Plus, there is always the chance that Pearl comes back to the states and convinces him to come back :thumbsup:
 
#77
#77
I hate to insult some of our own fans but anyone who is insulting Pearl can stfu and can jump on the North Carolina's bandwagon. I've met plenty of Vol fans who cheer for UT football but then cheer for NC or Memphis basketball. Disgusting. If you are a UT basketball fan and you don't like what Pearl is doing, maybe it's not too late to bring back Buzz Peterson. Missing the tournament every year sure awesome! Some of you are babies. Sorry but it's true.

Also to the guy who said Bruce Pearl's recruiting has been atrocious? Don't talk about basketball anymore. If by atrocious you mean doesn't coach defense or recruits kids who think they are above defense then sure. The team always at the top of the SEC in scoring. If you think this list is atrocious then you are clueless.

5* Scotty Hopson
5* JP Prince
5* Ramar Smith
5* Duke Crews
4* Tyler Smith
4* Emmanuel Negedu
4* Renaldo Woolridge
4* Kenny Hall
4* Jordan McRae
4* Phillip Jurrick
3* Bobby Maze - JUCO All-American
3* Brian Williams

Yep, that's some bad recruiting right there. Just awful!
 
#78
#78
I've never complained about Pearl as a recruiter though losing a 5 star hurrts. My complains with him have been in player development and player evaluation. Ever year it seems like he signs a guy who has no business being in the SEC and I have yet to see a player make huge strides in the off season under him. The only one of his guys that he recruited and signed that have done well so far is Wayne Chism. I think the jury is very much still out on Pearl and people who can't take criticism of their coaches should just not read messageboards. I love what he has done as a promoter but he still has alot of stuff to prove before I will say he is our guy. We cant always rely on tranfers saving our lives, Pearl is going to have to start devolping his own guys to do the job.
 
#79
#79
Wimberlake said:
I hate to insult some of our own fans but anyone who is insulting Pearl can stfu and can jump on the North Carolina's bandwagon. I've met plenty of Vol fans who cheer for UT football but then cheer for NC or Memphis basketball. Disgusting. If you are a UT basketball fan and you don't like what Pearl is doing, maybe it's not too late to bring back Buzz Peterson. Missing the tournament every year sure awesome! Some of you are babies. Sorry but it's true.

Also to the guy who said Bruce Pearl's recruiting has been atrocious? Don't talk about basketball anymore. If by atrocious you mean doesn't coach defense or recruits kids who think they are above defense then sure. The team always at the top of the SEC in scoring. If you think this list is atrocious then you are clueless.

5* Scotty Hopson
5* JP Prince
5* Ramar Smith
5* Duke Crews
4* Tyler Smith
4* Emmanuel Negedu
4* Renaldo Woolridge
4* Kenny Hall
4* Jordan McRae
4* Phillip Jurrick
3* Bobby Maze - JUCO All-American
3* Brian Williams

Yep, that's some bad recruiting right there. Just awful!
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I'd have to agree. Pearl has recruited pretty damn well. I really still expect a top 10 recruiting class for '10, we're on that many different people's short list, that I think we'll score at least one of those five-star guys.
 
#80
#80
dickens821 said:
Please don't compare the Maccabiah games to the Olympics.
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Why shouldn't I? They are very similar. Thy are both comprised of the best atheletes from around the world in their sport. The Maccabbe games just happens to feature the best Jewish atheletes. But nonetheless, it is still an international competition, it is still in a medals format. From what I hear Pearl has been tearing it up too beating teams by more than 70 pts. If anything, that should look good for Pearl. All I'm saying is that it was probably an honor for Pearl just like it was an honor for coach K. Why would he turn it down? To appease the volnation critics that always have the luxury of seeing in 20/20 hindsight? Give me a break.
 
#81
#81
mattvols said:
I've never complained about Pearl as a recruiter though losing a 5 star hurrts. My complains with him have been in player development and player evaluation. Ever year it seems like he signs a guy who has no business being in the SEC and I have yet to see a player make huge strides in the off season under him. The only one of his guys that he recruited and signed that have done well so far is Wayne Chism. I think the jury is very much still out on Pearl and people who can't take criticism of their coaches should just not read messageboards. I love what he has done as a promoter but he still has alot of stuff to prove before I will say he is our guy. We cant always rely on tranfers saving our lives, Pearl is going to have to start devolping his own guys to do the job.
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I agree with that. I think it's harder for some of the players to develop quickly under Bruce Pearl's system. He runs such a deep rotation. We have yet to see any of Pearl's recruits playing their senior season so maybe we'll see that huge jump this season. I also expect someone like Scotty Hopson to make that leap you're talking about. He could have a big year this year. Don't want to leave out Negedu or Woolridge. I'm sure they will be much improved and see more playing time as sophomores. We shall see.
 
#82
#82
timmy3 said:
I'd have to agree. Pearl has recruited pretty damn well. I really still expect a top 10 recruiting class for '10, we're on that many different people's short list, that I think we'll score at least one of those five-star guys.
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Hopefully. I really didn't want Selby though. He was the highest scoring point guard in that camp or whatever it was. He torched a lot of big time players. I don't think a point guard that scores is really what we need. We need someone who can distribute the ball. Now... if the point guard can penetrate and draw defenders, that we could use. Give big Brian Williams, Negedu and Hall some easy dunks. Would be nice.
 
#83
#83
Wimberlake said:
I hate to insult some of our own fans but anyone who is insulting Pearl can stfu and can jump on the North Carolina's bandwagon. I've met plenty of Vol fans who cheer for UT football but then cheer for NC or Memphis basketball. Disgusting. If you are a UT basketball fan and you don't like what Pearl is doing, maybe it's not too late to bring back Buzz Peterson. Missing the tournament every year sure awesome! Some of you are babies. Sorry but it's true.

Also to the guy who said Bruce Pearl's recruiting has been atrocious? Don't talk about basketball anymore. If by atrocious you mean doesn't coach defense or recruits kids who think they are above defense then sure. The team always at the top of the SEC in scoring. If you think this list is atrocious then you are clueless.

5* Scotty Hopson
5* JP Prince
5* Ramar Smith
5* Duke Crews
4* Tyler Smith
4* Emmanuel Negedu
4* Renaldo Woolridge
4* Kenny Hall
4* Jordan McRae
4* Phillip Jurrick
3* Bobby Maze - JUCO All-American
3* Brian Williams

Yep, that's some bad recruiting right there. Just awful!
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Plenty of those guys are complete letdowns. The stars may not look so bad but a lot of those guys were gone too early or just not good to begin with.
 
#84
#84
Perhaps I'm being a bit insensitive, but Selby (outside of his star ranking) doesn't sound like that big of a loss.
 
#85
#85
Wimberlake said:
I hate to insult some of our own fans but anyone who is insulting Pearl can stfu and can jump on the North Carolina's bandwagon. I've met plenty of Vol fans who cheer for UT football but then cheer for NC or Memphis basketball. Disgusting. If you are a UT basketball fan and you don't like what Pearl is doing, maybe it's not too late to bring back Buzz Peterson. Missing the tournament every year sure awesome! Some of you are babies. Sorry but it's true.

Also to the guy who said Bruce Pearl's recruiting has been atrocious? Don't talk about basketball anymore. If by atrocious you mean doesn't coach defense or recruits kids who think they are above defense then sure. The team always at the top of the SEC in scoring. If you think this list is atrocious then you are clueless.

5* Scotty Hopson
5* JP Prince - Worthless
5* Ramar Smith - Gone
5* Duke Crews - Gone
4* Tyler Smith - Lucky Transfer
4* Emmanuel Negedu
4* Renaldo Woolridge - Worthless
4* Kenny Hall
4* Jordan McRae
4* Phillip Jurrick - Gone/Worthless
3* Bobby Maze - JUCO All-American
3* Brian Williams

Yep, that's some bad recruiting right there. Just awful!
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And by the way, having Buzz back isn't the only option.
 
#86
#86
tvolsfan said:
Plenty of those guys are complete letdowns. The stars may not look so bad but a lot of those guys were gone too early or just not good to begin with.
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Pearl couldn't have predicted that Duke Crews was going to continually get in trouble for smoking pot or that Ramar Smith sucks at life. Phillip Jurick is the only one that wasn't good enough and that's because Pearl runs an uptempo system. Jurick needs to stand around down low to be effective. Who else hasn't been that good? You can't say Negedu and Woolridge. They were just freshman last year on a deep team. This team finally has some senior leader ship again. I think the fans who are expecting UT to underachieve this year will be surprised. Maze should be better in his second season with the team. We don't know what Goins can offer. This team should get back to Sweet 16 with a shot at a final four. JMO.
 
#87
#87
I'm sorry, but all of the people who are saying we didn't need Selby or we never needed him or that they don't even want him now that he changed his mind are laughable. This kid had the chance to be a legitimate one and done (not a Hopson type where uninformed people thought he could be a one and done, only to realize he'll need a few years).

We'll have no depth at PG come 2010 (Goins is not the answer) and he would have been able to come in and keep UT a competitive basketball team. It probably would have even been better that he's not the typical pass first PG (neither was Tyreke Evans and look what he did with a Memphis team who had lost a lot of talent the year before) and he would have allowed the other PGs Pearl recruited to learn and develop for a year.

This is a huge blow and I hope Bruce can bounce back and still land the PGs we need
 
#88
#88
dickens821 said:
And by the way, having Buzz back isn't the only option.
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I know. I'm just saying Tennessee has sucked at basketball for a while. What Bruce Pearl has done for this program is great. Averaging fourth in attendance the past few years. Making the NCAA tournament every year. It's way too early to give up on him. I think having so much talent has worked against him honestly. Look at what he did at UW-Milwaukee and what he did early on at Tennessee. He accomplished more with less. Probably because those players didn't come with all of the accolades and egos of his current players. They were willing to get dirty. Maybe last years letdown will finally get it into their head that they have to play defense. Being seniors, I think it might happen. This is their last shot at getting past the Sweet 16. Their last shot to get drafted. I expect Tyler, Chism and JP to play with a fire under their butt. Especially Tyler. We may see him take his game to a whole other level. He wants to play basketball and he doesn't want to leave his son to play overseas. He has a lot riding on this season. They all do.
 
#90
#90
Comparing the Maccabi Games to the real Olympics is like comparing the Special Olympics to the real Olympics. There really isn't much of a difference.
 
#92
#92
I think us recruiting Vander Blue recently means that our staff has kinda expected this to happen and was already looking for replacements.

I have heard from someone on the staff this morning that we have sent feelers out to five start point guard Ryan Harrow who is a recent NC State commit, but since his commit, they also got a commitment from Lorenzo Brown (4 star PG). It may be too late to get into the Harrow recruitment, but I was told to not be surprised if he were to visit Tennessee before signing day.
 
#93
#93
Had to delete a few posts. Let's keep it on topic and avoid flaming.
 
#96
#96
Wimberlake said:
Pearl couldn't have predicted that Duke Crews was going to continually get in trouble for smoking pot or that Ramar Smith sucks at life. Phillip Jurick is the only one that wasn't good enough and that's because Pearl runs an uptempo system. Jurick needs to stand around down low to be effective. Who else hasn't been that good? You can't say Negedu and Woolridge. They were just freshman last year on a deep team. This team finally has some senior leader ship again. I think the fans who are expecting UT to underachieve this year will be surprised. Maze should be better in his second season with the team. We don't know what Goins can offer. This team should get back to Sweet 16 with a shot at a final four. JMO.
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This.

This is going to be the deepest, most talented team CBP has ever had. We knew going into 08-09 that it was just a rebuilding year for 09-10, and we still managed to be the best team in the conference. This team may have under-achieved last year, but after they've been together this long, I expect a lot more continuity. They might let me down, but expecting a team to under-achieve before they've even taken the floor is a bit ridiculous IMO.
 
#97
#97
Someone mentioned Pearl needing a mulligan... He might need one, but he shouldn't get one. He's been here long enough to be able to have built his teams. He's well paid to do that. It's time for results. That's why he was brought here. One can't build their career on sweet 16 runs, if they want to make the kind of money he's making and coach at the kind of athletic school he is at.

And to suggest Tennessee has to choose between Pearl and the Buzz Petersens of the world is asinine.
 
#98
#98
IPorange said:
Someone mentioned Pearl needing a mulligan... He might need one, but he shouldn't get one. He's been here long enough to be able to have built his teams. He's well paid to do that. It's time for results. That's why he was brought here. One can't build their career on sweet 16 runs, if they want to make the kind of money he's making and coach at the kind of athletic school he is at.

And to suggest Tennessee has to choose between Pearl and the Buzz Petersens of the world is asinine.
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His first recruiting class will be seniors this year.... and my comment is asinine? Okay....

Actually, you can build your career of Sweet 16's. The NCAA tournament has fielded 64 teams for 25 years now I believe. Since then UT has been in the tournament nine times. Four of which were under Pearl. They have been to the Sweet 16 three times. Two times under Pearl. Bruce Pearl is UT's most successful coach in the past 25 years. Jerry Green is right up the rear. Together they combine for 8 of the 9 tournament appearances and Green was also four for four. I just don't know who people want in place of Bruce Pearl. We would have to go after a coach from a smaller school replace Pearl. Yea, I know that is how we got Pearl but that doesn't mean it will happen again. It amazes that there are UT fans who want him out. I don't know how many coaches would have turned UT back around so quickly. If you want to see atrocious, that would be Peterson, O'neil and Houston. I am just happy we have a team that's above .500 and making the tournament after watching some of that crap. Anyways, UT won't be getting rid of Pearl anytime soon. He fills up the stands and as long as he is bringing in money, he is here to stay. It would take a high profile coach for Tennessee to replace him.
 
#99
#99
Wimberlake said:
His first recruiting class will be seniors this year.... and my comment is asinine? Okay....

Actually, you can build your career of Sweet 16's. The NCAA tournament has fielded 64 teams for 25 years now I believe. Since then UT has been in the tournament nine times. Four of which were under Pearl. They have been to the Sweet 16 three times. Two times under Pearl. Bruce Pearl is UT's most successful coach in the past 25 years. Jerry Green is right up the rear. Together they combine for 8 of the 9 tournament appearances and Green was also four for four. I just don't know who people want in place of Bruce Pearl. We would have to go after a coach from a smaller school replace Pearl. Yea, I know that is how we got Pearl but that doesn't mean it will happen again. It amazes that there are UT fans who want him out. I don't know how many coaches would have turned UT back around so quickly. If you want to see atrocious, that would be Peterson, O'neil and Houston. I am just happy we have a team that's above .500 and making the tournament after watching some of that crap. Anyways, UT won't be getting rid of Pearl anytime soon. He fills up the stands and as long as he is bringing in money, he is here to stay. It would take a high profile coach for Tennessee to replace him.
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1)... and three of the players from that class are no longer here, so yes.

2) well good for you, I am glad you can deal with almost competing.
 
#100
#100
and for the record, there were questions about Duke and Ramar's respective character (especially Ramar) before they ever stepped on campus, so anyone who is saying that Bruce couldn't have predicted that they would end up in trouble and off the team is either completely uninformed or completely naive.
 
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