JP Prince to workout for Knicks

[BigPapaVol]

First of all, I was expressing my opinion I had at the time, when I was a teenager, even if it still somewhat applies (I can appreciate the Knicks, even while hating them). Secondly, the way the Celtics play now isn't the same as what the Knicks did, especially with the rule changes. I hated, and still hated, the way it became a wrestling match with the Knicks. Maybe I should say I appreciated the fluidity and execution of the Bulls, even with the "non-athletic" role players.

And, in the end, after all the crap about physicality in the playoffs, or "how it should be played", teams that play that way don't win (or rarely). Teams that played like the Bulls win the championships. You can try and bully other teams, but championships are won by teams like the Bulls, Lakers, Spurs, etc. that execute.

Pistons disagree. Bulls added nastiness in the paint because it wins and it did. Without it, they were destined to keep losing to the Pistons of the world.
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[hatvol96]

I disagree completely. First, Detroit sure wasn't too bad "bullying people." And the Spurs always have won because they one of the most physical teams in the League. Physicality wins in the playoffs. If you want proof, just look at the Lakers-Celtics series a couple years ago.

I bet Kurt Rambis, AC Green, Mychal Thompson, Lamar Odom, and Andrew Bynum are going to surprised to find out they weren't/aren't physical.
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[hatvol96]

I disagree completely. First, Detroit sure wasn't too bad "bullying people." And the Spurs always have won because they one of the most physical teams in the League. Physicality wins in the playoffs. If you want proof, just look at the Lakers-Celtics series a couple years ago.

Terry Cummings, Robert Horry, and Tim Duncan are also going to be surprised to find out they are finesse players.
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[Unimane]

I disagree completely. First, Detroit sure wasn't too bad "bullying people." And the Spurs always have won because they one of the most physical teams in the League. Physicality wins in the playoffs. If you want proof, just look at the Lakers-Celtics series a couple years ago.

Execution wins in the playoffs (The Pistons were the "rarely" point I was referring). Mental toughness is more important than physical toughness. Tell me how many rings those physical teams of the 90s won? All those enforcers and zero rings outside of the Pistons. Hell, even when Jordan left, the Rockets won behind the most skilled big man in the game, Olajuwan.

And, the Spurs aren't more physical than anyone else. They do, however, run, or ran, the pick and roll to perfection with Ginobili slicing through offenses. Where was this physical presence? Robert Horry? Bruce Bowen?

Oh, and the Celtics won behind their trio of Garnett-Allen-Pierce. They certainly weren't any more physical than other teams. Execution, talent, mental toughness will trump the bullying style of the Knicks, Pacers nearly always.

 

[BigPapaVol]

Execution wins in the playoffs (The Pistons were the "rarely" point I was referring). Mental toughness is more important than physical toughness. Tell me how many rings those physical teams of the 90s won? All those enforcers and zero rings outside of the Pistons. Hell, even when Jordan left, the Rockets won behind the most skilled big man in the game, Olajuwan.

And, the Spurs aren't more physical than anyone else. They do, however, run, or ran, the pick and roll to perfection with Ginobili slicing through offenses. Where was this physical presence? Robert Horry? Bruce Bowen?

Oh, and the Celtics won behind their trio of Garnett-Allen-Pierce. They certainly weren't any more physical than other teams. Execution, talent, mental toughness will trump the bullying style of the Knicks, Pacers nearly always.

The most physical team in the league in the mid 90s was the Bulls.
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[LawVol13]

Execution wins in the playoffs (The Pistons were the "rarely" point I was referring). Mental toughness is more important than physical toughness. Tell me how many rings those physical teams of the 90s won? All those enforcers and zero rings outside of the Pistons. Hell, even when Jordan left, the Rockets won behind the most skilled big man in the game, Olajuwan.

And, the Spurs aren't more physical than anyone else. They do, however, run, or ran, the pick and roll to perfection with Ginobili slicing through offenses. Where was this physical presence? Robert Horry? Bruce Bowen?

Oh, and the Celtics won behind their trio of Garnett-Allen-Pierce. They certainly weren't any more physical than other teams. Execution, talent, mental toughness will trump the bullying style of the Knicks, Pacers nearly always.

You clearly haven't watched much of the Celtics. They are the most physical team left in the playoffs. Yea, look at those finesse teams in the '80s that won. The Lakers with Rambis, AC Green were pretty much just complete pansies. Larry Bird also was quite possibly the softest player to ever suit up. Physicality wins. Period.

 

[hatvol96]

I disagree completely. First, Detroit sure wasn't too bad "bullying people." And the Spurs always have won because they one of the most physical teams in the League. Physicality wins in the playoffs. If you want proof, just look at the Lakers-Celtics series a couple years ago.

I just don't want to be the guy who tells Mario Elie or Bruce Bowen they were soft.
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[Unimane]

Also, to be clear, physicality has it's importance. Obviously, not "backing down" is key and play reflects more in the playoffs, but it's not the key factor in winning titles. I also see the same crew is well on the way to their typical ruse of misrepresenting a poster's argument, so I thought I should clarify.

 

[hatvol96]

You clearly haven't watched much of the Celtics. They are the most physical team left in the playoffs. Yea, look at those finesse teams in the '80s that won. The Lakers with Rambis, AC Green were pretty much just complete pansies. Larry Bird also was quite possibly the softest player to ever suit up. Physicality wins. Period.

Kevin McHale and Robert Parrish never clotheslined or punched people in the playoffs. Oh, wait.
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[hatvol96]

Soft, eurotrash style basketball wins. Look at all the titles Dallas and Phoenix have won.
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[LawVol13]

Also, to be clear, physicality has it's importance. Obviously, not "backing down" is key and play reflects more in the playoffs, but it's not the key factor in winning titles. I also see the same crew is well on the way to their typical ruse of misrepresenting a poster's argument, so I thought I should clarify.

Physicality is what separates teams in the playoffs. Your little expose about execution is a given. There isn't a team in the playoffs that doesn't execute; otherwise, they wouldn't have made the playoffs in the first place. Look at all the championships that the Suns have won with the finesse system. Do you think the Spurs have traditionally owned the Suns in the playoffs because they execute better or because they're more physical? If you say anything other than the latter, you know even less than what I originally thought.

 

[Unimane]

I just don't want to be the guy who tells Mario Elie or Bruce Bowen they were soft.
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Seriously, if you are going to make uninformed, dumbass commentary, you might want to know what my argument is. I know you have me on ignore, so I'm addressing this more for the point to be made in the general scope of the thread.

Like I said, I just find it moronic that you're arguing (or trying to) against me without knowing what I'm saying and through a third person's commentary.

 

[hatvol96]

All of Don Nelson's championship rings are a testament to the benefits of cutesy, open court basketball in the playoffs.
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[bamacheats]

Kind of ironic that a thread about anorexic JP Prince has turned into an argument on physical play.
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[Unimane]

Physicality is what separates teams in the playoffs. Your little expose about execution is a given. There isn't a team in the playoffs that doesn't execute; otherwise, they wouldn't have made the playoffs in the first place. Look at all the championships that the Suns have won with the finesse system. Do you think the Spurs have traditionally owned the Suns in the playoffs because they execute better or because they're more physical. If you say anything other than the latter, you know even less than what I originally thought.

The Suns lost because they refused to play defense. And, I would argue that the physicality is the given, while execution is what separates teams. You think the Spurs won because they got rougher with teams? You mean it's not because they played better team defense, ran their sets crisper, i.e. executed?

And, my god, I hate your guys little circle jerk. Quit acting like f-ing basketball gurus and telling everyone how much smarter you are than everyone. Telling people that they know less than you do doesn't actually mean you are right.

 

[Unimane]

All of Don Nelson's championship rings are a testament to the benefits of cutesy, open court basketball in the playoffs.
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Seriously, get off your high horse and read my posts. I haven't said anything about cutesy basketball winning championships, Yoda.

 

[hatvol96]

Look how soft Riley's Heat championship team and Brown's title winning Pistons were. I don't know why everyone doesn't just load up with a bunch Danilo Gallinaris and Stephen Currys and win a bunch of rings.
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[Unimane]

Look how soft Riley's Heat championship team and Brown's title winning Pistons were. I don't know why everyone doesn't just load up with a bunch Danilo Gallinaris and Stephen Currys and win a bunch of rings.
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Actually, I'm going to keep responding to your posts just to watch your smugness in answering posts you don't read and your answers don't even address.

 

[hmanvolfan]

Yoda sounds sorta cutesy.

 

[LawVol13]

The Suns lost because they refused to play defense. And, I would argue that the physicality is the given, while execution is what separates teams. You think the Spurs won because they got rougher with teams? You mean it's not because they played better team defense, ran their sets crisper, i.e. executed?

And, my god, I hate your guys little circle jerk. Quit acting like f-ing basketball gurus and telling everyone how much smarter you are than everyone. Telling people that they know less than you do doesn't actually mean you are right.

Yea, it's definitely a given. That's how the Suns make the playoffs every year and how the Warriors made the playoffs a couple years ago: extreme physicality. You don't come in the paint on Anthony Randolph without walking out with broken bones.

 

[hatvol96]

Yea, it's definitely a given. That's how the Suns make the playoffs every year and how the Warriors made the playoffs a couple years ago: extreme physicality. You don't come in the paint on Anthony Randolph without walking out with broken bones.

Matt Barnes was the modern day Mo Lucas when he was in the Bay Area. Frightening.
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[Unimane]

Yea, it's definitely a given. That's how the Suns make the playoffs every year and how the Warriors made the playoffs a couple years ago: extreme physicality. You don't come in the paint on Anthony Randolph without walking out with broken bones.

The Warriors are another team that refuses to play defense. Defense is part of execution. But, like I said, physicality is certainly not irrelevant and you can't be some milquetoast in the playoffs. However, simply being more physical doesn't win championships. If it was, then those Knick and Pacers teams would have rings. You win by combining that physicality with the part of the game that separates teams, offensive and defensive execution. The Spurs were master at that as were the Bulls.

 

[LawVol13]

Matt Barnes was the modern day Mo Lucas when he was in the Bay Area. Frightening.
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In all seriousness, the only reason they made the playoffs is because how tough Baron Davis was. Swapping him and Curry has really paid dividends for them.

 

[Unimane]

Matt Barnes was the modern day Mo Lucas when he was in the Bay Area. Frightening.
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Since you aren't really a part of this (actual) conversation, here's a direct request.

If you are an arrogant blowhard who is simply a coaches jock-sniffer, then tell me another player who you think is tough.

 

[LawVol13]

The Warriors are another team that refuses to play defense. Defense is part of execution. But, like I said, physicality is certainly not irrelevant and you can't be some milquetoast in the playoffs. However, simply being more physical doesn't win championships. If it was, then those Knick and Pacers teams would have rings. You win by combining that physicality with the part of the game that separates teams, offensive and defensive execution. The Spurs were master at that as were the Bulls.

No one was arguing this. Like I said, execution is a given. Physicality is a separator. No one ever said, "You can completely suck offensively and defensively, but as long as you're putting people on their ass, then you're a lock for a ring."