Judge Bans Enforcement of Don't Ask Don't Tell

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CSpindizzy said:
It will require an entire revamping of policies and procedures. Housing and other considerations have to be taken into account. Rules and enforcement have to be taken into consideration.

A chaplain friend of mine said they were asked to review a set of policies they would have to change. He could not give specifics but from a counseling standpoint alone, they get into legal issues. What if the chaplain is from a denomination that considers homosexuality a sin? Is the chaplain forced to keep THAT aspect of his faith silent?

The whole issue is huge and few realize what all is involved.
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Housing would be an issue? Seriously? I don't think a single policy would have to change, as it is already against the rules to sexually interact with other soldiers. I don't think they need to add a "Don't stick your peter in the backdoor" clause. I think it's covered already. They're gay, not nymphomaniacal.

What if those same chaplains are from a denomination that considers lying, stealing, and killing a sin? You know, things most people who have served in the military a long enough time have done at least once in their lives.

Any chaplain who is preaching homophobic scripture to our soldiers isn't using their time well, anyway. So, if that aspect of their message has to change, then score one for equality.

I do agree with you that this change is far from over and there are other things that need to be done to accommodate this change, but I don't think any of the issues you mentioned are necessarily pressing ones.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Housing would be an issue? Seriously? I don't think a single policy would have to change, as it is already against the rules to sexually interact with other soldiers. I don't think they need to add a "Don't stick your peter in the backdoor" clause. I think it's covered already. They're gay, not nymphomaniacal.

What if those same chaplains are from a denomination that considers lying, stealing, and killing a sin? You know, things most people who have served in the military a long enough time have done at least once in their lives.

Any chaplain who is preaching homophobic scripture to our soldiers isn't using their time well, anyway. So, if that aspect of their message has to change, then score one for equality.

I do agree with you that this change is far from over and there are other things that need to be done to accommodate this change, but I don't think any of the issues you mentioned are necessarily pressing ones.
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If it is part of their message (which at least in one case I know of it is), it will not change.
 
#32
#32
hohenfelsvol said:
You're not always in uniform.
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We never hold hands or kiss at a military base regardless.

Something you may or may not know? a relatively new rule that you salute a superior officer if you are in uniform regardless of officer being in uniform or not (upon recognition).
 
#33
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MontereyVol said:
We never hold hands or kiss at a military base regardless.

Something you may or may not know? a relatively new rule that you salute a superior officer if you are in uniform regardless of officer being in uniform or not (upon recognition).
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Guess they have gone away from respecting the uniform and not the person, interesting
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Housing would be an issue? Seriously? I don't think a single policy would have to change, as it is already against the rules to sexually interact with other soldiers. I don't think they need to add a "Don't stick your peter in the backdoor" clause. I think it's covered already. They're gay, not nymphomaniacal.

What if those same chaplains are from a denomination that considers lying, stealing, and killing a sin? You know, things most people who have served in the military a long enough time have done at least once in their lives.

Any chaplain who is preaching homophobic scripture to our soldiers isn't using their time well, anyway. So, if that aspect of their message has to change, then score one for equality.

I do agree with you that this change is far from over and there are other things that need to be done to accommodate this change, but I don't think any of the issues you mentioned are necessarily pressing ones.
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If you don't think a single policy needs to change, please by all means get a job at the Pentagon and give them your infinite wisdom in solving this problem. You have two Democratic presidents making a point to change this but once the facts and reality are on the table both are backing down. Strangely enough, they come to a different conclusion than you. Maybe you should run for President as well. Things aren't just black and white despite what you think. While you come up with cute little snaps and assume everyone disagreeing is calling gays nymphomaniacal the issue is far more broad than you even care to admit.

As far as what you said about chaplains you missed my point but that is expected. As for preaching "homophobic" scripture there is none. The Bible is clear on the topic. If you don't like it don't read it or listen to it. Chalk one up for equality? How ironic. How is forcing someone to quiet their beliefs equality? Oh the irony you speak. I love it. So equal. I must conform to YOUR equality. That's what amuses me about this and 'equality' and 'tolerance' in general. It's a farce. But so I digress.

Again, if you don't think just the snippet I mention are pressing ones, by all means, go to DC. Obama really could use your advice and consent. Because these issues along with endless other ones have the whole discussion on hold. Maybe you have some secret insight he can use to bring world peace as well. It's a little more complex than you really think.
 
#36
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MontereyVol said:
We never hold hands or kiss at a military base regardless.

Something you may or may not know? a relatively new rule that you salute a superior officer if you are in uniform regardless of officer being in uniform or not (upon recognition).
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I know the rule. But you bringing up the point of recognizing others is what I am getting at. Take the word base out of the equation and you are at a theater in town and folks can do what they want without fear of another member recognizing them.
 
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hohenfelsvol said:
I know the rule. But you bringing up the point of recognizing others is what I am getting at. Take the word base out of the equation and you are at a theater in town and folks can do what they want without fear of another member recognizing them.
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As long as it doesnt cross the lines of being in uniform or cross the boundaries of fraternization, then I dont have a problem with it.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Housing would be an issue? Seriously? I don't think a single policy would have to change, as it is already against the rules to sexually interact with other soldiers. I don't think they need to add a "Don't stick your peter in the backdoor" clause. I think it's covered already. They're gay, not nymphomaniacal.
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Why then do they separate males and females? Clearly men and women can live together and not have sex - hell I did it with my ex-wife! Men and women have seen each other naked so why separate the sexes if not to discourage fraternization?
 
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it goes with the "they can't help themselves" argument. which strangly is an argument many times used by liberals.
 
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volinbham said:
Why then do they separate males and females? Clearly men and women can live together and not have sex - hell I did it with my ex-wife! Men and women have seen each other naked so why separate the sexes if not to discourage fraternization?
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:lol: nice
 
#42
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Women in combat? Put them in the Infantry? Have them in the same quarters as men during infantry boot camp? Because if they're fighting side by side they need to build that camaraderie as well right? How far does this go? We have rights out here.
 
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droski said:
it goes with the "they can't help themselves" argument. which strangly is an argument many times used by liberals.
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I don't buy that argument but I still don't get the logic for separating males and females if it doesn't relate to the potential for fraternization.

Is it because women would feel uncomfortable showering in front of men? Wouldn't it then be logical that a straight guy might feel uncomfortable showering in front of a gay man?

There's separation for a reason based on attraction between parties - I don't see how that differs between hetero and homosexual.

Put 'em all together or keep them all separate - equal rights no?
 
#44
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i don't have any problem having the males and females together as long as there are strong rules against fraternization. how many communal shower stalls are there anymore? this isn't WW II.
 
#45
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droski said:
i don't have any problem having the males and females together as long as there are strong rules against fraternization. how many communal shower stalls are there anymore? this isn't WW II.
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okay forget communal showers - what about the pillow fights?
 
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droski said:
i don't have any problem having the males and females together as long as there are strong rules against fraternization. how many communal shower stalls are there anymore? this isn't WW II.
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Vast majority of barracks have communal showers and field settings are always communal.
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droski said:
i don't have any problem having the males and females together as long as there are strong rules against fraternization. how many communal shower stalls are there anymore? this isn't WW II.
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Have you served in the military? They are there.
 
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droski said:
really? interesting.

so do they have seperate showers for men and women then?
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Yes, but it was a logistics headache. USMA jumped through about 500 hoops in admitting women back in 76.
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