Judge Bans Enforcement of Don't Ask Don't Tell

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BigPapaVol said:
In combat, we keep winning. What other measure is there?
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Yeah, but do we win because of DADT, or do we win because of superior technology and training paid for by inflation, and debt that we are saddling the future generations with?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
In combat, we keep winning. What other measure is there?
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VolBurgers said:
Hopefully something relevant.

Otherwise it's just bigotry. Fail to see how that's "fine."
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If winning (as it comes to the subject) is bigotry. Im "fine" with that.

France must be appealing other wise.

I am curious what is relevant in combat, if winning is not?
 
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I don't like making misguided assumptions (don't like it when others do that to me). But I did go back in the thread, and do not see the misunderstanding of the post.
 
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nbakerld said:
Yeah, but do we win because of DADT, or do we win because of superior technology and training paid for by inflation, and debt that we are saddling the future generations with?
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We know for sure what does win. We've never tried the other way. I don't give q crap about this issue, but I do know that there are logistical concerns and that senior brass has forever pointed to potential morale issues because they know soldiers better than our social engineers do.
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VolBurgers said:
Hopefully something relevant.

Otherwise it's just bigotry. Fail to see how that's "fine."
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Absurd. There is nothing else relevant. Undertaking anything that impedes our capability of winning is stupid and your social sensitivities don't make a whit of difference.
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I guess you took his post the way I did, and by the silence I assume we read his intentions correctly.

And if true, the word absurd is weak for this BPV,
 
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BigPapaVol said:
We know for sure what does win. We've never tried the other way. I don't give q crap about this issue, but I do know that there are logistical concerns and that senior brass has forever pointed to potential morale issues because they know soldiers better than our social engineers do.
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Agreed.

We are already the most sensitive military in the history of mankind. Please, please, please let our military do its job. If the social engineers want a hand in the process they can get elected and decide when to deploy the military.
 
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VolBurgers said:
Isn't DADT "undertaking something?"

Not "undertaking something" would be to do nothing. Not being homophobic would be a good start.
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you're right - someone should wave a magic wand and "poof" (no pun intended) there would be no prejudice on any level anywhere.

face it, human nature is to be "some group" phobic. why I bet you make all sorts of assumptions about people that supported DADT. the military deals with reality that most of us never have to deal with. to goal to make it completely "cleansed" of any prejudices is absurd.
 
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VolBurgers said:
Isn't DADT "undertaking something?"

Not "undertaking something" would be to do nothing. Not being homophobic would be a good start.
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Does the idea of maintaining the status quo not make sense to you?

Changing policy is an undertaking. Telling everyone to accept homosexuals in their units and living quarters is a larger undertaking. If that's difficult for you, then you should strongly consider shutting your hole.
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VolBurgers said:
Isn't DADT "undertaking something?"

Not "undertaking something" would be to do nothing. Not being homophobic would be a good start.
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DADT wasn't really an undertaking in that sense. Gay people have been doing that in the military for hundreds of years, it just gave gay people a legal option, While saving the DOD a whole bunch of money.

Calling the entire military homophobic is crazy, they have and always will serve in the military. They aren't as persecuted as you would like to think.

DADT works more in the favor of the gay community than it does against them.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Does the idea of maintaining the status quo not make sense to you?

Changing policy is an undertaking. Telling everyone to accept homosexuals in their units and living quarters is a larger undertaking. If that's difficult for you, then you should strongly consider shutting your hole.
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Its not like there's a hidden army of gays in the military that nobody knows about. You pretty much know who's gay and who's straight when you live around them 24/7. I really don't see how the change in policy would change things that much. The Army is already dealing with gays now, they just refuse to identify it.
 
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lumberjack4 said:
Its not like there's a hidden army of gays in the military that nobody knows about. You pretty much know who's gay and who's straight when you live around them 24/7. I really don't see how the change in policy would change things that much. The Army is already dealing with gays now, they just refuse to identify it.
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money.
 
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lumberjack4 said:
Its not like there's a hidden army of gays in the military that nobody knows about. You pretty much know who's gay and who's straight when you live around them 24/7. I really don't see how the change in policy would change things that much. The Army is already dealing with gays now, they just refuse to identify it.
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I don't disagree with this. Allowing flaunting of one's sexuality would certainly open the door for the same male / female issues that have been pointed out here. I think those issues are absurd, but I am 100% certain that there are a lot of soldiers out there who would make it an issue.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I don't disagree with this. Allowing flaunting of one's sexuality would certainly open the door for the same male / female issues that have been pointed out here. I think those issues are absurd, but I am 100% certain that there are a lot of soldiers out there who would make it an issue.
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i imagine there are definetely soldiers that will have major problems with it. i went to all male HS and the homophobia was extremely high. the only question is whether our response should be "tough s-. deal with it or quit." or whether it's an actual national security issue.
 
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