Judge Dismisses Trump Documents Case.

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CobbVol said:
No, the goal all along was to frame up the political opponent of the current administration as a "felon".
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Frame? They spent months and months asking him for documents back for which he lied he said he didn't have, then did, but said he declassified them in his mind, and so forth. All this and he would have been fine if he didn't spend all that time stonewalling and left the authorities with no other recourse.

"Framed"? Dear Lord, some people live in a fantasyland.
 
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Unimane said:
Frame? They spent months and months asking him for documents back for which he lied he said he didn't have, then did, but said he declassified them in his mind, and so forth. All this and he would have been fine if he didn't spend all that time stonewalling and left the authorities with no other recourse.

"Framed"? Dear Lord, some people live in a fantasyland.
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They had other options, they could have ignored the fact he had them like they did for Biden for over 5 years.
 
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hog88 said:
They had other options, they could have ignored the fact he had them like they did for Biden for over 5 years.
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They explored all those options, which was covered extensively at the time, and tried to have him simply return them, as did Biden (and Pence), but he refused. Thatā€™s why it took about a year before they finally raided his place. Iā€™m fine with saying Biden and Pence should have some repercussions, but it is 100% factual had Trump done what those two did in turning over the documents when asked, heā€™d not have been charged.

I know the MAGA narrative is heā€™s a perpetual victim, but he did this one to himself after having numerous outs in this case. Numerous.
 
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Unimane said:
They were willing to do so and have him simply return them, as did Biden (and Pence), but he refused. Thatā€™s why it took about a year before they finally raided his place. Iā€™m fine with saying Biden and Pence should have some repercussions, but it is 100% factual had Trump done what those two did in turning over the documents when asked, heā€™d not have been charged.

I know the MAGA narrative is heā€™s a perpetual victim, but he did this one to himself after having numerous outs in this case. Numerous.
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the force used, the staging of photos with coversheets they brought with them that were admittedly not accurate - then leaking the photo to the press. Trump made mistakes for sure but the government went much harder than necessary and staged evidence.

It's possible for both Trump to be wrong and the prosecution politically impacted. Do it all by the book (for all cases Biden, Pence, Trump) if you want to avoid the appearance of political interference.
 
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Unimane said:
They explored all those options, which was covered extensively at the time, and tried to have him simply return them, as did Biden (and Pence), but he refused. Thatā€™s why it took about a year before they finally raided his place. Iā€™m fine with saying Biden and Pence should have some repercussions, but it is 100% factual had Trump done what those two did in turning over the documents when asked, heā€™d not have been charged.

I know the MAGA narrative is heā€™s a perpetual victim, but he did this one to himself after having numerous outs in this case. Numerous.
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What are you talking about Hillary had classified documents on a server she illegal and criminally stored at her house than she tried to cover it up. She had no authority to have any of that stuff, in anyway like that. And there is additional motive, she hiding all the other criminal things she was doing by holding the records and key.

And they had more or less a verbal admission of guilt recorded on video. Biden had no business having any of that stuff.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
What are you talking about Hillary had classified documents on a server she illegal and criminally stored at her house than she tried to cover it up. She had no authority to have any of that stuff, in anyway like that. And there is additional motive, she hiding all the other criminal things she was doing by holding the records and key.

And they had more or less a verbal admission of guilt recorded on video. Biden had no business having any of that stuff.
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For which she was extensively investigated by the FBI, who concluded there was no evidence she was deliberately covering up. Again, had Trump just not try to stonewall the authorities, heā€™d be fine. No amount of ā€œwhat aboutā€ changes the incontrovertible facts of the case.
 
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Unimane said:
They explored all those options, which was covered extensively at the time, and tried to have him simply return them, as did Biden (and Pence), but he refused. Thatā€™s why it took about a year before they finally raided his place. Iā€™m fine with saying Biden and Pence should have some repercussions, but it is 100% factual had Trump done what those two did in turning over the documents when asked, heā€™d not have been charged.

I know the MAGA narrative is heā€™s a perpetual victim, but he did this one to himself after having numerous outs in this case. Numerous.
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There was a question as to whether Trump legally had classified documents. But even of you concede that he did not, there is ZERO legal reason for Puddinhead to have any. NONE. ZILCH. NADA. NUNCA. Dipshit broke the law, and is not being even remotely prosecuted for that. Why the **** not? Military members would be in PRISON for doing what he did as a senator. Disgusting.
 
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hog88 said:
They had other options, they could have ignored the fact he had them like they did for Biden for over 5 years.
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Did they request them for five years? Again, the failure here is you arenā€™t noting that obstruction is the reason Trump sits in a court for this issue. No other figure did this, so references to them are irrelevant, unless you can demonstrate their obstruction. Even in a post-truth world this is hard to argue against
 
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Unimane said:
For which she was extensively investigated by the FBI, who concluded there was no evidence she was deliberately covering up. Again, had Trump just not try to stonewall the authorities, heā€™d be fine. No amount of ā€œwhat aboutā€ changes the incontrovertible facts of the case.
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LOL

No one is above the law my ass.
 
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Unimane said:
Did they request them for five years? Again, the failure here is you arenā€™t noting that obstruction is the reason Trump sits in a court for this issue. No other figure did this, so references to them are irrelevant, unless you can demonstrate their obstruction. Even in a post-truth world this is hard to argue against
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So if I steal something like Biden did with those documents, but give it back after being asked. There's no crime...that's the dumbest crap I've ever heard..along the line of Walgreens wasn't robbed by the flash mob on video because no one was arrested
 
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Unimane said:
For which she was extensively investigated by the FBI, who concluded there was no evidence she was deliberately covering up. Again, had Trump just not try to stonewall the authorities, heā€™d be fine. No amount of ā€œwhat aboutā€ changes the incontrovertible facts of the case.
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No, its call political prosecution or selective prosecution.

She absolutely intentionally tried to cover it up, she was actually successful.

Not only did they steal material, they actually conspired to cover it up. Literally these are espionage cases.
 
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Unimane said:
Good. Now weā€™re getting somewhere. So, Trump breaking the law and obstructing should be prosecuted, then?
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He and Hills and Biden can share a cab.

But if it follows the law for classified materials handling, only one of them will leave not in handcuffs.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
No, its call political prosecution or selective prosecution.

She absolutely intentionally tried to cover it up, she was actually successful.

Not only did they steal material, they actually conspired to cover it up. Literally these are espionage cases.
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No, it just didnā€™t turn out the way you wanted it. The FBI made their findings and determination. Trumpā€™s DOJ had four years to rectify this ā€œpoliticalā€ inaction and did/found nothing.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Oh, I don't know! šŸ˜Æ Maybe the plethora of extraordinary and lavish gifts he's received while a SCJ. While he shouldn't be responsible for his wife's actions, he certainly should recuse himself ruling on any matters related to Trump
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Explain this??
And then explain why the same standard isn't expected of Sotomayor who actually sat on a case she got gifts from???
 
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Unimane said:
No, it just didnā€™t turn out the way you wanted it. The FBI made their findings and determination. Trumpā€™s DOJ had four years to rectify this ā€œpoliticalā€ inaction and did/found nothing.
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LOL
 
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Unimane said:
Frame? They spent months and months asking him for documents back for which he lied he said he didn't have, then did, but said he declassified them in his mind, and so forth. All this and he would have been fine if he didn't spend all that time stonewalling and left the authorities with no other recourse.

"Framed"? Dear Lord, some people live in a fantasyland.
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LOL.

If he was guilty why rush and be so sloppy as they did? Sadly, ethically challenged Jack Smith needed to get the felony stuff out against his leader's opponent and his every action was designed to get it resolved before November. Imagine that. So, with evidence tampering, staging pictures, and getting the CNN film crew in place for the 6am raid all that looks like action involved in a framing.

Again, without Judge Cannon this may have been assigned to a corrupt liberal judge like merchan and none of this would be known today.
 
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