Julian Phillips drafted at 35

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BisonVol said:
He and Barnes just weren’t a good fit in the end. That’s not an insult to either of them. Barnes is a really good coach, and Phillips is going to be a good pro imo whether it be in the NBA or overseas. Sometimes a player’s personality just doesn’t mesh with how he’s coached.
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So Barnes made him fumble the ball away half the times he dribbled into the lane? Barnes also made him shoot sub 30% from 3? Did Barnes also cause his injuries? Thank goodness Barnes didn’t make him a bad defender and mess up his free throws also!
 
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walkenvol said:
So Barnes made him fumble the ball away half the times he dribbled into the lane? Barnes also made him shoot sub 30% from 3? Did Barnes also cause his injuries? Thank goodness Barnes didn’t make him a bad defender and mess up his free throws also!
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Mercy me 🙄... Yes, he was an excellent defender, one of the best in the country, and no it wasn’t Barnes fault that JP was too thin to effectively drive the ball against physical defense. Nowhere in my post did I argue against that.

The point is that Phillips clearly lost confidence as the season progressed which has to at least partly be attributed to a bad fit between coach and player. He had injuries he was dealing with that may have also contributed.
 
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BisonVol said:
Mercy me 🙄... Yes, he was an excellent defender, one of the best in the country, and no it wasn’t Barnes fault that JP was too thin to effectively drive the ball against physical defense. Nowhere in my post did I argue against that.

The point is that Phillips clearly lost confidence as the season progressed which has to at least partly be attributed to a bad fit between coach and player. He had injuries he was dealing with that may have also contributed.
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Sorry, but this makes zero sense to me. He lost confidence when he got into league play and couldn’t drive the lane and convert. He would often lose the handle or jump into the pile and the refs wouldn’t bail him out with a foul call. Also, he wasn’t making the open outside shot consistently. Maybe it was due to injuries. Maybe he hit the freshman wall. Whatever the reason, you’ve provided no reason to blame the coaching staff. They kept giving him minutes trying to let him play through his struggles without results.
 
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walkenvol said:
Sorry, but this makes zero sense to me. He lost confidence when he got into league play and couldn’t drive the lane and convert. He would often lose the handle or jump into the pile and the refs wouldn’t bail him out with a foul call. Also, he wasn’t making the open outside shot consistently. Maybe it was due to injuries. Maybe he hit the freshman wall. Whatever the reason, you’ve provided no reason to blame the coaching staff. They kept giving him minutes trying to let him play through his struggles without results.
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The talent is there but he’s probably one of the worst 5 stars I’ve seen from a physical standpoint.

The anti Barnes crowd will easily point fingers at the coaching staff when reality, Phillips just wasn’t a 5 star player at the college level.
 
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Volprofch05 said:
Here's an interesting quote from JP's high school coach:

Bulls draft pick Julian Phillips labeled a natural baller: 'He did stuff you can't teach'
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Then he's got a tough row to hoe in that league. I don't wish him any ill, but I suspect that league will chew him up and spit him out. He'll end up in a long line of guys who were athletic enough, but didn't have the "it" to play against a league of the best athletes on the planet. If we had the same rule that college baseball has, I'd have loved to see him after 3 years of growth and experience. Plus, if he were smart, he'd be near a degree he could use after college if pro ball didn't pan out. Yeah, I know the argument about focusing on basketball in the g league, but let's be real about that. Odds are that he'll end up somewhere in europe after a year or two trying to get a roster spot or out of basketball completely. Then what? So many kids get lured by chasing that green carrot and they aren't given good advice about the long term impact of his decision. Maybe after giving it a try for a few years, he'll get back to a college and get a degree at some point. Wish him the best. Can't say I'll miss him, because he really didn't do all that much and fans didn't have enough time to get attached to him. Really hate this one and done deal. It's just not a good thing for college ball and the kids.
 
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CAVPUT said:
Then he's got a tough row to hoe in that league. I don't wish him any ill, but I suspect that league will chew him up and spit him out. He'll end up in a long line of guys who were athletic enough, but didn't have the "it" to play against a league of the best athletes on the planet. If we had the same rule that college baseball has, I'd have loved to see him after 3 years of growth and experience. Plus, if he were smart, he'd be near a degree he could use after college if pro ball didn't pan out. Yeah, I know the argument about focusing on basketball in the g league, but let's be real about that. Odds are that he'll end up somewhere in europe after a year or two trying to get a roster spot or out of basketball completely. Then what? So many kids get lured by chasing that green carrot and they aren't given good advice about the long term impact of his decision. Maybe after giving it a try for a few years, he'll get back to a college and get a degree at some point. Wish him the best. Can't say I'll miss him, because he really didn't do all that much and fans didn't have enough time to get attached to him. Really hate this one and done deal. It's just not a good thing for college ball and the kids.
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What you are saying is true. On the other side he received life changing money. He can always go back and get his education. It is a tough decision. It is almost a win win either way you go. If he goes back to school he will surprised at how expensive it is.
 
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BisonVol said:
Mercy me 🙄... Yes, he was an excellent defender, one of the best in the country, and no it wasn’t Barnes fault that JP was too thin to effectively drive the ball against physical defense. Nowhere in my post did I argue against that.

The point is that Phillips clearly lost confidence as the season progressed which has to at least partly be attributed to a bad fit between coach and player. He had injuries he was dealing with that may have also contributed.
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I don’t believe it was a bad fit. Huntleigh-Hatfield and Barnes was a bad fit. He just didn’t want to do the work required to play in Barnes’ system. Phillips just wasn’t physically ready for prime time yet and he appeared frustrated. And he ain’t anywhere close to being ready for the NBA. But teams draft on potential and he does have that. Hopefully he can get stronger in the G League and eventually get to the League.
 
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Delmar said:
I don’t believe it was a bad fit. Huntleigh-Hatfield and Barnes was a bad fit. He just didn’t want to do the work required to play in Barnes’ system. Phillips just wasn’t physically ready for prime time yet and he appeared frustrated. And he ain’t anywhere close to being ready for the NBA. But teams draft on potential and he does have that. Hopefully he can get stronger in the G League and eventually get to the League.
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I think a lot of our fans put too much stock in NBA teams "drafting for potential". That second round pick is roll of the dice, hoping he's got something that they saw that we didn't see that will make him a contributor this year. If he's not on the roster at some point this year he won't ever be a regular player for them. Teams aren't stashing talent in the G League, they use those players to fill out trades.
 
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LibertyVol said:
What you are saying is true. On the other side he received life changing money. He can always go back and get his education. It is a tough decision. It is almost a win win either way you go. If he goes back to school he will surprised at how expensive it is.
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I didn't see his contract details. What did he get and how much is guaranteed?
 
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jeff1vol said:
This is EXACTLY why the NBA is virtually unwatchable now. The 3pt line has RUINED the pro game. There is little to ZERO paint game any longer and players like G. Williams are barely hanging on. It's either a 3pt shot or a dunk. Boring.
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To be fair, Grant isn’t “barely hanging on.” He was always going to have to improve his 3 pt. shot at the NBA level. Too undersized to expect him to bang down low on a nightly basis. If he’s not with Boston next year there’s still plenty of teams that would be interested in him.
 
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omghulkhands said:
And I’m the exact opposite.

I LOVE Tennessee basketball more than anything. But I absolutely can’t watch any non-tournament college game. They are miserable imo.

Whereas the NBA, I can just about casually watch any game/team and enjoy it.
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I’d watch two homeless guys play ball. I don't care.
 
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vols 30 said:
I hope Grant somehow stays in Boston. He turned down 4yrs for 50 million? Is he worth more than that? Sounds reasonable IMO
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I think he’ll get about that. Somewhere between 12-14 million per year. I think he has until the 6th to holdout for offers. Who knows. Maybe the Spurs or Hornets will pay more if they don’t have other ways to fill their cap space,
 
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omghulkhands said:
It’s a lot of 19 year olds that haven’t filled into their bodies yet. So I feel like it’s usually that way.

Also, I think sports science is shifting towards players being leaner to save their knees.
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All coming back full circle.. We see players from the 50s, 60s, and early 70s weren’t these huge, athletically sculpted beings, that athletes (football players) have become.. Its pretty clear that injuries are more severe with how much extra stress we put on the body. Players back seemed to have more longevity and had less career-ending injuries.
 
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