Just to clear up the dissatisfaction...

#27
#27
Eddie Vol Halen said:
No dogs. No Al Wilson personality on the team. Hate to generalize but very millenial team. That seems to reflect Milton to a tee.

For all that though, remember, Josh Dobbs willed this team to 8-wins. This team will win 8 without that kind of performer at any position. And we won 11 last year. Not sure Josh H. is or ever will be a Saban or Smart. But this is still a quality team that we haven't seen since the Fulmer days. If Nico is a leader and if we can pick up some LB leaders in the portal or a ball hunting safety - we may be competitive next year. If we can find some players who can pick up a team from 21 - 3 down to undefeated Arkansas, we'll be in the hunt and in the mix.

(I think CJH has to think about his defensive coaching set-up. He may need to shake that up.)
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I don’t know that this is really a fair comparison at this point. Who is being either one of those guys right now? Kirby kind of had the table set for him with Mark Richt being there before him and winning 9-10 games a year . Credit to Kirby, he has absolutely run with that and not looked back. And Saban is the greatest coach in college football history, who has probably done his best coaching job this season. I think we have our own identity, we’re unique in our scheme and approach. It certainly hasn’t gone as well offensively as the last 2 seasons, but IMO Heupel has built enough equity his first 2 seasons to make me think that this season is an anomaly and not the future. If you ever hear an interview of people talking about CJH the word or terms “competitive” or “ultra-competitive” are used frequently. There’s a reason we used the personnel we did this season, and I don’t think it’s because CJH especially likes being blown out or suddenly became incompetent overnight. Some things definitely need changing from this year to next, but I think we’re in good hands and that we have a bright future in front of us.
 
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The Tall Gguy said:
From what I am seeing, the outrage and dissatisfaction is not because of a 7-4 record. It is because of the effort or lack thereof and not even being competitive in those 4 losses.
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I think everyone would have taken 8-4 coming into the season and we are there right now. The problem with everyone is how the season played out.

We laid a goose egg at Florida after a quick TD strike to open the game.

We had a 20-7 lead at Bama with our defensive line getting at Milroe the entire half….


The dissatisfaction with the most probable record expectation for the season is much like Butch’s two 8-4 years. We were so close to being a 11-1/10-2 team that it feels like a let down.

If Heupel goes 9-4 after an 11-2 season, I’m stoked.

I don’t care what anyone says I’m a realist. And with the roster situation he walked into (recruiting and transfer exodus) plus scholarship reductions, him needing 5 years to completely turn the roster over while getting out of the reductions is a must. Him going 11-2 and 9-4 in years 2 and 3 just means he’s going to get those 5 years.
 
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Over the past 20 years, only 16 coaches (Saban twice) have managed to "get it right" in every game and go undefeated... out of 30,000+ games. 10 years ago, Fisher did it at Fla. State - last week he got fired at A&M.

Over the past 20 years, only 5 starting freshman were ranked in the top 25 QB's of all time... only one (Jake Frome 2017) started all games - Trevor Lawrence in 2018 didn't start 'til the 5th game of the season.

Arch Manning at Texas hasn't taken a single snap.

Thinking Nico will be a panacea for all our heartache is a stretch; returning Heisman winner Caleb Williams at USC under offensive mastermind Lincoln Riley is 7-5 (5-4 in the conference). For all the anguish we feel as a result of poor performances this year, we have taken great strides from where we were just a few short years ago.

It's rare that field results exceed expectations - it doesn't mean that we cant have lofty ones, but we should nonetheless remain realistic in setting them as we root for a bunch of kids in orange and white. GBO!
 
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TartanTurff said:
Got some coaches acting the same way, we thought we were passed this type foolishness,

Georgia has a championship level team, Tennessee has a marketing/spin/hype machine of immense scale with big money flying around well beyond anything we have seen before, White Danny seems unconcerned about a middle of the road season this year in the conference,
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No. Like any good manager, White doesn’t panic, kneejerk and burn the place down after every loss.

And for the poster above comparing this to Butch and Pruitt seasons…that is completely ridiculous.

Yes, there are some things that need to be evaluated and bimproved. Road preparation and performance are at the top of my list. But I absolutely resist anyone calling to replace the head coach. He has a chance to win 20 games over two seasons. That was a mere pipe dream just 3 years ago. How quickly we forget….
 
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I remember, during the Butch years, saying, "Although we lost, I am proud of how they played". I have yet to say this about Heupel's teams. Oh, there will be flashes of greatness. And Mayes always shows up. But, too many of these guys appear to be either unprepared or uninterested. I have speculated that they aren't enthusiastic about playing for Joe. But, only the team can respond that.
 
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spacificislander said:
Youngest millennials are 28. Some of us are 40 now. No one on the team is a millennial, but Joe seems like he has been in college for 20 years.
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Gen Z then 😂 as a mom of Gen Zs, that is kind of their mindset.. everyone is a tik tok or Insta and everything is freaking hilarious, sometimes it makes you want to smack them.. we should all be grateful they are all not on their phones during the game.. I wish I were joking
 
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Lack of effort by the players. Lack of in-game adjustments by the coaches. Just a little improvement in these areas and we would be 9-3. I don't mind losing to more talented & experienced teams but don't get boat raced like you don't care.
 
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I don’t think this team has the “dawg” leader like we’ve had in some years past. Reminds me of the Dooley years— start well but when things go south, they can’t figure out how to right the ship.
 
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vavolfan6 said:
Is it really a lack.of effort as much as we were simply worn down on defense? Sure, there were some lapses where players showed poor effort. But generally speaking I think our offense was inefficient, and our defense could not hold up over the course of the game. And unfortunately, we were also outmatched in the trenches the last two games. But, I wouldn't put it as an effort issue. Maybe a lack of discipline and focus st times.
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That would be an argument if our D wasn't getting beaten into submission even early in the game when they shouldn't be gased. The first 3 drives they couldn't get off the field on 3rd down and that is on the D. Obviously the offense has their own set of issues.
 
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Hbg said:
Milton was laughing on the sideline towards the end of the game. Not a good look.
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Herein is the biggest part of the problem. If you were a defense or for that matter an offense and knew you were playing your ass of to turn over you efforts to Milton, how would you react after a whole season? If you were an offensive player knowing you were busting your ass to pass protect for a guy who can't pass the ball, or a receiver trying run a route, what kind of effort would you put out if you had no idea where the ball was going. Sorta hard to put forth effort with this kinda motor in the engine room. To prove my point, for the most part how does the o-line do on running plays?
 
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vavolfan6 said:
Is it really a lack.of effort as much as we were simply worn down on defense? Sure, there were some lapses where players showed poor effort. But generally speaking I think our offense was inefficient, and our defense could not hold up over the course of the game. And unfortunately, we were also outmatched in the trenches the last two games. But, I wouldn't put it as an effort issue. Maybe a lack of discipline and focus st times.
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The talent really seemed lacking this year. Big drop off from last year. How many NFL players did we field yesterday? Maybe one or two at RB. That’s about it
 
#43
#43
I sincerely hope that the offense was simplified for Milton, while that may sound crazy at least it would mean that at some point we will see the same offense as we did last year, I think they wanted to redshirt NIco, they were loyal to Milton and they were just gonna run things they felt he would have success doing and hoped that it would equate into a decent season and by most measure 8-4 possibly 9-4 would do just that but it wont be accepted here, Heupel figuring that out now.
 
#44
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The Tall Gguy said:
From what I am seeing, the outrage and dissatisfaction is not because of a 7-4 record. It is because of the effort or lack thereof and not even being competitive in those 4 losses.
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yeah its like they don't even care. Milton walking back to the bench doing his little handshake with a walk on bench warmer after his second straight 3rd and out. Some of them care, especially on defense, but I think that key players in the wide receiver and qb room genuinely don't care.
 
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ZTXVOL said:
100%

There’s a stark difference in mixing it up with the best in the conference and taking some bad breaks and losing a few on the last drive, and what we’ve done this year. Beaten into submission and never once displayed a will to take it back, times four
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Well said
 
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my complaint and concern is how poorly we seem to be as far as game plan goes. The play calling reeks, and Milton seems lost on what to do when the ball is snapped. I've stopped criticizing the secondary because it's a lost cause. We can't score, and we can't stop anyone from scoring on us.
 
#47
#47
The Tall Gguy said:
From what I am seeing, the outrage and dissatisfaction is not because of a 7-4 record. It is because of the effort or lack thereof and not even being competitive in those 4 losses.
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No for me it’s not really the effort. I see effort but it reminds me of the effort a dog uses to chase his tail it is just almost painful to watch this team invent new ways to negate whatever “good” effort is implemented by the lack of bad effort. For me it’s not the effort. It’s the across the board inept-ness displayed this year for most of the season. I would say A&M was the best overall game played this year and then that team disappeared. The inability to adjust to the loss of a player here or there or make improvements through the year has me very concerned for the years ahead. This looked truly no different and in some ways worse than the whole keystone cops act we have seen for decades.
 
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TartanTurff said:
Got some coaches acting the same way, we thought we were passed this type foolishness,

Georgia has a championship level team, Tennessee has a marketing/spin/hype machine of immense scale with big money flying around well beyond anything we have seen before, White Danny seems unconcerned about a middle of the road season this year in the conference,
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So "White Danny"? That was tasteless on your part. Btw, has he told you he is unconcerned? Most ad's make their comments about a season after it unless you are A&M or some other disaster of a season going nowhere.
 
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