Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg has passed away

[Tyler Durden]

Is this true?

She should've retired a while ago. Oh well, lessons learned for future justices. Maybe.

 

[0nelilreb]

It was not about who lost but who won.
Unacceptable and unpardonable.
We can finally turn the page in November.

Again that’s highly subjective . While some cried and became emotionally unhinged , some rejoiced and laughed . That’s why ( IMO ) putting so much faith in an election of a politician and the government isn’t healthy for one’s sanity. It’s all a shell game with interchangeable people as the cogs .

 

[Weezer]

It was not about who lost but who won.
Unacceptable and unpardonable.
We can finally turn the page in November.

It was about both because both sides gave us bad choices and one had to win. You're just mad because the bad choice you preferred didn't win. What everyone should really be mad about is the two parties keep giving us ****** choices. Happening again in this election, but all you care about is your bad choice winning. Once again, the system is broken.

 

[luthervol]

I read that in an article earlier. My first thought was "what if every SCOTUS justice made that wish?". Truth of the matter is, GOP controls the Senate which allows them to push though another pick if they so choose(which they probably will). If the Dems had controlled the Senate when Obama was ending his Presidency, Garland would be a Justice now. It's not about what's right or wrong for either side. It's about what they can get away with. If roles were reversed, Dems would absolutely try to push a candidate through. This is how politics work, and both sides use the same tactics, so getting upset by it is pointless. If you want better, the entire system has to change, not just people being happy because which ever party they pledge allegiance to comes out on top.

The fact that no SCOTUS justice makes that wish, but it was made by Ginsberg, should tell you something.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Is this true?

She probably did express that to someone she knows. It's consistent with other things that she said. However, it is fair to ask why she didn't step down during Obama's 2nd term if that was so important to her. I really don't think that Senate Republicans would have blocked Obama from replacing her. They just didn't want Obama replacing a conservative like Scalia.

 

[AM64]

Only one primary objective. Trump has to be gone.

I guess you can feel pretty secure in saying that since conservatives don't have a habit of throwing tantrums and burning the place down when things go against them. I'd bet you don't even care if Trump is ejected illegally.

 

[AM64]

I saw a title(not the movie) that played off Clear and Present Danger to become Rear and Pleasant Danger.

Are you suggesting there could be backdoor politics in the future?

 

[Weezer]

The fact that no SCOTUS justice makes that wish, but it was made by Ginsberg, should tell you something.

Yes, it tells me a lot about RBG, and I don't find it that flattering. Imagine if Scalia had said that about Obama?

 

[luthervol]

Again that’s highly subjective . While some cried and became emotionally unhinged , some rejoiced and laughed . That’s why ( IMO ) putting so much faith in an election of a politician and the government isn’t healthy for one’s sanity. It’s all a shell game with interchangeable people as the cogs .

In normal elections that would be true. Trump was a once in 300 years catastrophic anomaly.
Trump was not and is not normal. He should never be normalized.
I've repeated these things for years now for a reason.

 

[Weezer]

Are you suggesting there could be backdoor politics in the future?

My backdoor is exit only.

But I don't judge.

 

[ajvol01]

That Denver Cleveland playoff game on the painted dirt was one of my all time favs. Mack fumble uuugh.

Brian Sipe?

 

[luthervol]

Yes, it tells me a lot about RBG, and I don't find it that flattering. Imagine if Scalia had said that about Obama?

I figured you would get the wrong message.
The fact that Scalia did not say that about Obama speaks to the differences between Obama and Trump, not the differences between Scalia and Ginsberg.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

SIAP but what if the election comes down to a Supreme Court decision and it's a tie? Anybody have a clue about what would be next?

The House Votes

 

[0nelilreb]

In normal elections that would be true. Trump was a once in 300 years catastrophic anomaly.
Trump was not and is not normal. He should never be normalized.
I've repeated these things for years now for a reason.

Yes you have and the reason is you don’t like Trump . It doesn’t change anything that I said about putting your faith in elections and politicians that don’t know you personally on a first name bases . Honestly we all know that if our faces aren’t on their personal phones with our phone number below it .. we are only valuable and only thought about at election time .

 

[AM64]

In normal elections that would be true. Trump was a once in 300 years catastrophic anomaly.
Trump was not and is not normal. He should never be normalized.
I've repeated these things for years now for a reason.

Trump is a once in 300 year catastrophic anomaly, and Obama wasn't? I guess it's all about perspective, but Obama was the setup that got Trump elected. Had your party gone more centrist and less activist, the current president would probably have had a D after his name.

 

[luthervol]

I guess you can feel pretty secure in saying that since conservatives don't have a habit of throwing tantrums and burning the place down when things go against them. I'd bet you don't even care if Trump is ejected illegally.

I've always said he should be removed by any legal means available.
It wasn't about things going against them, it was about the election of a horrendously despicable human.
You guys never seem able to process that critical distinction.

 

[GordonC]

The House Votes

No
Pence decides

 

[AM64]

I've always said he should be removed by any legal means available.
It wasn't about things going against them, it was about the election of a horrendously despicable human.
You guys never seem able to process that critical distinction.

DC seems to be the place where the horrendously despicable of all stripes congregate, so what's your point?

 

[GordonC]

Brian Sipe?

Maybe Bernie K

 

[mr.checkerboards]

No
Pence decides

So, what happens if nobody gets a majority?
This could happen if a third party candidate stole a significant amount of votes from the primary candidates. Hypothetically, two candidates could also tie at 269 votes each, something which has never happened.
In fact, the last time that a candidate failed to get a majority of the votes was in 1824, when there were four candidates running, causing a splintering of the votes.
In that exceptionally rare situation, the decision would go to the House of Representatives. Each state gets just one vote for the candidate of their choice. That means the 53-person California delegation would get one vote, and the one-person Delaware delegation would each get one vote.
Verify: Supreme Court's role in elections, electoral college | wusa9.com

 

[A_Vol_n_Hog_Country]

I have no problem with most differences of opinion.
But if someone had the opinion that we should bring back slavery, I would have a problem with it.
If someone had the opinion that the sexual exploitation of children should be legal, I would have a problem with it.
I said from day one and have never wavered, Trump crosses the line of acceptability.
I feel more justified in the correctness of that position than ever before.
My opinion was, is, and will always be, that the election of Trump was a national mistake of historic proportions.

I would like to think we could all agree on the examples you gave because they’re morally wrong and would expect any decent human being to stand up against those ideas.

I will clarify my position on Trump. I do not believe he is Presidential and wish someone would take his Twitter account away. However, if you look past his rhetoric, he has done some worthwhile things.

Out of curiosity, what exactly has he specifically done that leads you to believe that his Presidency has been a colossal mistake? If you take a step back and really analyze it. Other than his tweets, shooting off at the mouth and overall lack of professionalism at times he really hasn’t done anything different from other Presidents.

In your opinion, do you think if the media had shown a little more respect to the title of President rather than spewing hate towards Trump would he have changed his tune.

Every President in the past has had to face difficulties from the media and yes, that comes with the territory but even with those dissenting opinions. I’ve never seen such blatant disrespect for a President no matter which political party they were. It’s a two way street.

 

[GordonC]

So, what happens if nobody gets a majority?
This could happen if a third party candidate stole a significant amount of votes from the primary candidates. Hypothetically, two candidates could also tie at 269 votes each, something which has never happened.
In fact, the last time that a candidate failed to get a majority of the votes was in 1824, when there were four candidates running, causing a splintering of the votes.
In that exceptionally rare situation, the decision would go to the House of Representatives. Each state gets just one vote for the candidate of their choice. That means the 53-person California delegation would get one vote, and the one-person Delaware delegation would each get one vote.
Verify: Supreme Court's role in elections, electoral college | wusa9.com

What?
Are we not talking about the confirmation of a SC Justice?
I'm confused.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

What?
Are we not talking about the confirmation of a SC Justice?
I'm confused.

I read his post as election. My fault if he was still talking about the SC

 

[Weezer]

I figured you would get the wrong message.
The fact that Scalia did not say that about Obama speaks to the differences between Obama and Trump, not the differences between Scalia and Ginsberg.

In your opinion. I find it upsetting that RBG, someone who is supposed to be an unbiased jurist, allowed her politics to show through. Trump may nominate, but the Senate confirms. She wasn't speaking out against Trump, she was speaking out about the political ideology of the court, which the court shouldn't even have. It shouldn't be who leans left or who leans right. Justices are supposed to interpret the law as it is written, not enforce their own opinion upon the public. But, I'm guessing that doesn't matter much to you.

 

[AM64]

I would like to think we could all agree on the examples you gave because there morally wrong and would expect any decent human being to stand up against those ideas.

I will clarify my position on Trump. I do not believe he is Presidential and wish someone would take his Twitter account away. However, if you look past his rhetoric he has done some worthwhile things.

Out of curiosity, what exactly has he specifically done that leads you to believe that his Presidency has been a colossal mistake? If you take a step back and really analyze it. Other than his tweets, shooting of at the mouth and overall lack of professionalism at times he really hasn’t done anything different from other Presidents.

In your opinion, do you think if the media had shown a little more respect to the title of President rather than spewing hate towards Trump he would have changed his tune.

Every President in the past has had to face difficulties from the media and yes, that comes with the territory but even with those dissenting opinions. I’ve never seen such blatant disrespect for a President no matter which political party they were. It’s a two way street.

I'd like to see a democrat subjected to the same harassment given Trump (Nixon, too); most would melt into sniveling lumps of brown stuff. I'm amazed at Trump's constitution; he'd probably have been a far better president given the opportunity rather than stabbed in the back at every opportunity by the press and the failed impeachment attempts - and that all started before he walked in the WH door.