Justin Worley the last 2 games

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Spartacavolus said:
All those points are fine. Saying he had little to do with our best win in years yesterday is ridiculous and that's your stance.
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Let me reword my opinion to clear it up.

It wouldn't have been a nail biter if we had an above average qb. Worley needs to improve a lot before he will be considered an above average qb. I'm not sure he has the ability to improve as much as he needs to. I hope he can.
 
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KingtUT said:
Let me reword my opinion to clear it up.

It wouldn't have been a nail biter if we had an above average qb. Worley needs to improve a lot before he will be considered an above average qb. I'm not sure he has the ability to improve as much as he needs to. I hope he can.
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Yet SC has an above avg qb and lost. What if an above average qb throws 2 int's and fumbles one yesterday, resulting in 14-21 points for the opponent? Do we win then? Nope.

Again, your points about his limitations are valid. But the kid led his team to a W yesterday and we dont win if he doesn't play as well as he did yesterday, from a game management and turnover perspective especially.
 
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Maybe the freshman experiment was a bUTch idea to get our real starting QB to wake up and work and study harder to make the improvements that bUTch believed he could make if he seriously worked at it.

He has gotten better and will continue to learn and improve.

It's VERY rare that a true freshman QB, right out of high school, can come in to a SEC program and make a really good, positive, Winning impact.

It's only a MAYBE that we could have Won against floriDUHHH if we hadn't tried the freshman experiment and nobody will ever know but just maybe that was a last ditch effort by bUTch to get Justins head screwed on right and if that was the plan then it has worked well.

000 INT's folks says alot about our QB against SEC Defense with alot of pressure in your face and taking alot of hard hits all game long.

Maybe we could have beaten the Gators and maybe not but we damn near beat UGA and we did WIN against the old ball coach and the USCe cocky boys so we ARE getting better each week and that's proof of a good coaching staff.

Even Peyton Manning throws bad balls sometimes and that's just a normal part of the game because nobody will ever be perfect.

Where would we be today if Justin transferred out because he knew that behind Bray he was a backup for at least 2 years when he could have been a starter at some other school?

I'm glad we have the young man and that he's helping build us back up step by step.

#BrickbyBrick...VFL...GBO!!!
 
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I really thought justin had a good game. Not a great game. This was his signature win, I think he's capable of leading this team back to where it needs to be. I loved the run for ten yards, don't think anyone was expecting that!

Still think he stares down his man...
leading receiver, which isn't always bad. When someone else is open. To his credit, justin does check down and throw to hb or intermediate and that's good,tyler was always looking 15 yards downfield.

I see justin making strides, and that's the most integral thing we as fans needed to see. He's becoming a winner. Happy for him. Just want to see more to passes when someone is open vs throwing incompletions to primary target.
 
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To Worley's credit, he will never have the ability that Tyler Bray had but at least he and this team have the mental toughness to finish a ballgame. Belief is a powerful thing.
 
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MFL said:
I think his receivers are on his page now....should be good from now on..He's focused
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This both great catches by North gives Worley confidence that he can throw his way and North is going to fight for it, and go get it even if it's not the best throw. Earlier in the season we were seeing growing pains from both a bunch of first time starters.

What impressed me the most was Worley's willingness to stand in the pocket and deliver the throw with defenders baring down on him. Yesterday he held the ball until the last possible and much needed second, got drilled, but delivered catchable balls. The kid is not gun shy. Plus he was banged up for a lot of the game. Sometimes an injury will make you focus more on your technique. Very impressed.
 
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KingtUT said:
To Worley's credit, he will never have the ability that Tyler Bray had but at least he and this team have the mental toughness to finish a ballgame. Belief is a powerful thing.
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True. And he didn't throw it to the other team or drop it on the ground with victory within reach the last 2 weeks. Not as dynamic of an arm, but a better leader and there is no doubt his teammates give him more support than they gave Bray. Zero doubt.

Still, for me, he needs to run more, among other things. We need mobility. Its the college game.
 
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KingtUT said:
I guess a better way of saying it is to say we were able to overcome his inadequacies and still win the game. No doubt he mad some plays. No doubt he can still improve drastically.
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I agree, that is a better way of saying it. Kid is limited in some areas, does miss what appears to me to be some pretty basic, QB 101 throws. But I think he already has improved drastically and will continue to improve. It just seems to me that he was outstanding the 2nd half vs Georgia and he solid pretty much all day yesterday. He's not Manning or Shuler or Martin or Ainge, but he just qb'd our team to the biggest win we've had in 4 years and I'm gonna give him credit for that.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
True. And he didn't throw it to the other team or drop it on the ground with victory within reach the last 2 weeks. Not as dynamic of an arm, but a better leader and there is no doubt his teammates give him more support than they gave Bray. Zero doubt.

Still, for me, he needs to run more, among other things. We need mobility. Its the college game.
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Agree. No way Bray wins that game yesterday.... cause he never did, with much more talent around him.
 
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keckjm said:
Watch the games. He's terribly inaccurate sometimes, and he has below average arm strength. Every time Worley tries to add extra zip on the ball it goes in the wrong direction or into the ground. Worley is simply a game manager for us right now, and he's only effective at that when he doesn't make turnovers, aka GA and SC games.
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From the what I've seen Worley's accuracy issues result from throwing off of his back foot or off balance. He also has young receivers who aren't always where they are supposed to be.

And while Worley's arm is not the strongest I've ever seen, I certainly wouldn't classify it as below average.
 
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phowell23 said:
65 pass attempts. 0 interceptions.

I hope he's our starter for the rest of the season.

I take back everything I said about him earlier in the season. It's like a Crompton turn around.
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OK. But the first time he has an interception or two, don't be the first person to jump down his throat holding a flaming tar torch.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Yet SC has an above avg qb and lost. What if an above average qb throws 2 int's and fumbles one yesterday, resulting in 14-21 points for the opponent? Do we win then? Nope.

Again, your points about his limitations are valid. But the kid led his team to a W yesterday and we dont win if he doesn't play as well as he did yesterday, from a game management and turnover perspective especially.
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Exactly this ^^^. How about giving a player a little credit?


PASSING___Cmp-Att-Int___Yds___TD___Long___Sack
Worley, J._____19-34-0_____179____1______48_____1
Shaw, C.______7-21-1_____161____1______76_____4

KingtUT said:
Let me reword my opinion to clear it up.

It wouldn't have been a nail biter if we had an above average qb. Worley needs to improve a lot before he will be considered an above average qb. I'm not sure he has the ability to improve as much as he needs to. I hope he can.
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Not the best reword imo. Shaw is an above average QB and Worley played a better game than he did. And iirc, Worley also had better stats than Murray in the UGA game. To claim, as you did, that "we won the game in spite of Worley" is beyond ridiculous. And then to reword it, and still not give Worley any credit, says to me that you are confusing skills with actual game day performance... and this is what I meant from my previous post when I asked you to back up your definitive statement with stats.
 
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phowell23 said:
65 pass attempts. 0 interceptions.

I hope he's our starter for the rest of the season.

I take back everything I said about him earlier in the season. It's like a Crompton turn around.
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I like Worley just fine as a person, but I hope Butch has these freshmen ready to challenge his position . He has proved he can keep from loosing but we will need a qb who can win a game for us......Worley is not that man. Imho
 
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KBVol said:
Agree. No way Bray wins that game yesterday.... cause he never did, with much more talent around him.
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Soooo Dooley doesn't get any blaim for us not winning games with Bray at the helm?? Neither does the anemic defense we had?? Bray made a couple of dumb decisions, but he was one hell of a qb
 
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Worley is still a guy who needs composure in the pocket - at least lately we have been giving him more time IN the pocket and that has helped his confidence and his accuracy. Not sure how much time the Bama D is going to give him tho.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Would like to see any stats you could provide to back that statement up with something more than just your negative opinion of Worley.
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QB rating of 119.3, in the SEC 13th out of 14 who have averaged at least 15 att per game. He's 11th in completion % on the same list and 13th in yards per completion. (13th in yards per attempt, which mathematically combines completion percentage with yards per completion.) His rating in the last two games, when he "turned the corner", is 116.46. His rating against ranked opponents is 108.85 which is 9th in the conference. This is mediocrity.

Those are the stats you asked for.

The last throw to North was great; North's catch was even better. He had two other catchable long balls. North made another great catch on one of them; Blanc dropped the other, but had to adjust to a poor throw. (Just goes along with the theory that you just have to get pretty close on most long balls.) He stood in well. He made one very good run.

There is no doubt in my mind that if either of the freshmen had been handed the reins from day one, they would have done at least what Worley has done, and more than likely much more. This is, of course, just my opinion.
 
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phowell23 said:
65 pass attempts. 0 interceptions.

I hope he's our starter for the rest of the season.

I take back everything I said about him earlier in the season. It's like a Crompton turn around.
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Yes, I am with you. He was not very good early but a winner of a coach set him up for success and stuck by his convictions. He felt that Peterman should have a chance in the Florida game, but other than that, he felt that Justin gave us the best chance- I was wrong and Butch is right!
 
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papatomany said:
QB rating of 119.3, in the SEC 13th out of 14 who have averaged at least 15 att per game. He's 11th in completion % on the same list and 13th in yards per completion. (13th in yards per attempt, which mathematically combines completion percentage with yards per completion.) His rating in the last two games, when he "turned the corner", is 116.46. His rating against ranked opponents is 108.85 which is 9th in the conference. This is mediocrity.

Those are the stats you asked for.

The last throw to North was great; North's catch was even better. He had two other catchable long balls. North made another great catch on one of them; Blanc dropped the other, but had to adjust to a poor throw. (Just goes along with the theory that you just have to get pretty close on most long balls.) He stood in well. He made one very good run.

There is no doubt in my mind that if either of the freshmen had been handed the reins from day one, they would have done at least what Worley has done, and more than likely much more. This is, of course, just my opinion.
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No they're not, but thanks for the information. My reply was to a post stating that the SC game was won in spite of Worley, so I was asking for "game" statistics as those are the ones that were relevant to his post.

So you tell me... which QB do you think had a more positive impact for their team?


PASSING___Cmp-Att-Int___Yds___TD___Long___Sack
Worley, J._____19-34-0_____179____1______48_____1
Shaw, C.______7-21-1_____161____1______76_____4
 
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MockingVol said:
Soooo Dooley doesn't get any blaim for us not winning games with Bray at the helm?? Neither does the anemic defense we had?? Bray made a couple of dumb decisions, but he was one hell of a qb against non SEC teams....

Fyp 😊
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