Juwan Howard Punches Wisconsin Asst Coach

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VolGee4 said:
I don’t necessarily agree with your second paragraph. Sometimes, there is a need to explain to the other party why something was done for both sides to hash out a misunderstanding. I think it’s human nature for most people to want to settle a controversy. I don’t see anything wrong with what Gard tried to do. A severe overreaction by Howard. If Howard doesn’t want to settle the controversy, then that’s on him, too and obviously someone who wants to create a problem.

Howard’s comments made absolutely no sense.
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It is never wise to confront a person who is obviously furious; whether it be a coach in a post-game lineup or your wife after something you did (or didn't do).

You can offer a verbal explanation in passing. If they choose to ignore your explanation, then so be it. What you don't do is force a physical confrontation with a furious person. Give them physical space and let them cool down. Howard would have received the same message via a postgame press conference better than being physically stopped in the moment when his blood was obviously boiling.
 
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Boston Vol said:
One, I think they’re a difference in punching an opposing player compared to an opposing coach. Secondly, Hayes was 65, which in those days, was considered old for a football coach. The program had slipped and a lot of people at OSU probably saw it as a good opportunity to put him out to pasture.
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Hayes punched a cameraman the year before he punched the Clemson player, and had a history of confronting and assaulting reporters.

Howard tried to fight Maryland’s coach last year.

It wasn’t either guy’s first rodeo. The pattern was/is the problem, not who was punched.

Coaches shouldn’t be punching anyone on the field of play.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
It is never wise to confront a person who is obviously furious; whether it be a coach in a post-game lineup or your wife after something you did (or didn't do).

You can offer a verbal explanation in passing. If they choose to ignore your explanation, then so be it. What you don't do is force a physical confrontation with a furious person. Give them physical space and let them cool down. Howard would have received the same message via a postgame press conference better than being physically stopped in the moment when his blood was obviously boiling.
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That’s just odd thinking. Reasonable people don’t expect others to attempt to punch you for trying to explain something.

The old saying for a married couple: “don’t go to bed angry, stay up and fight.” Hash out your differences and don’t let it linger.

I wouldn’t expect my wife to hit me (or vice versa) if we were trying to settle an issue. That’s nonsensical to me.
 
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VolGee4 said:
That’s just odd thinking. Reasonable people don’t expect others to attempt to punch you for trying to explain something.

The old saying for a married couple: “don’t go to bed angry, stay up and fight.” Hash out your differences and don’t let it linger.

I wouldn’t expect my wife to hit me (or vice versa) if we were trying to settle an issue. That’s nonsensical to me.
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I don't subscribe to that. That's how small fights turn into big fights.

Let the other person cool off. Talk about things when both parties are in a more rational state of mind. When one or both parties are hot under the collar, they don't think rationally and say/do things they don't mean or would do when thinking normally. Things escalate unnecessarily.

Don't go poking the bear, in the moment, in the name of settling petty disagreements. That is playing a stupid game. Don't be surprised when you win a stupid prize.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
I don't subscribe to that. That's how small fights turn into big fights.

Let the other person cool off. Talk about things when both parties are in a more rational state of mind. When one or both parties are hot under the collar, they don't think rationally and say/do things they don't mean or would do when thinking normally. Things escalate unnecessarily.

Don't go poking the bear, in the moment, in the name of settling petty disagreements. That is playing a stupid game. Don't be surprised when you win a stupid prize.
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Rational people don’t have to do that. You can be upset and still handle it the right way. I’m in an industry that is based on controversy, and you have to be professional or you won’t make it long.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Hayes punched a cameraman the year before he punched the Clemson player, and had a history of confronting and assaulting reporters.

Howard tried to fight Maryland’s coach last year.

It wasn’t either guy’s first rodeo. The pattern was/is the problem, not who was punched.

Coaches shouldn’t be punching anyone on the field of play.
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The coolest thing about the Woody Hayes swing at the throat (obviously not the first time Woody had punched a guy with a helmet on) was the Clemson player's reaction as Woody keeps going after him.

The player is just standing there letting Coach Hayes push at his throat and drive him back like: "Easy, Grandpa, you're gonna have stroke....." until Woody's team gets him off of the guy.

He never even considered retaliating against the old guy. I'm not even sure he felt him hit him.

 
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I’d be surprised if he coached again this year. You can’t behave in the way he did, but there was definitely some aggression from the Wisconsin side that caused it. Wisconsin coach should probably get a game or so for grabbing Howard initially, IMO.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
I don't subscribe to that. That's how small fights turn into big fights.

Let the other person cool off. Talk about things when both parties are in a more rational state of mind. When one or both parties are hot under the collar, they don't think rationally and say/do things they don't mean or would do when thinking normally. Things escalate unnecessarily.

Don't go poking the bear, in the moment, in the name of settling petty disagreements. That is playing a stupid game. Don't be surprised when you win a stupid prize.
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It's SELF control. When you need to walk off, YOU walk off and say "I need to cool down for me, not to avoid the discussion."

Don't go to bed angry only works if people are under control of THEMSELVES. If you can't control your emotions at the moment, you need to step away. If someone tells you they are "on tilt" and need to step away, you need to have the self control to let them.

People end up violent because they push themselves past reasonable limits. That strategy is excellent for the Marine Corps but the Marine Corps unofficial motto used to be: kill them all and let God sort 'em out.

A marriage won't work like the Marine Corps.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
The coolest thing about the Woody Hayes swing at the throat (obviously not the first time Woody had punched a guy with a helmet on) was the Clemson player's reaction as Woody keeps going after him.

The player is just standing there letting Coach Hayes push at his throat and drive him back like: "Easy, Grandpa, you're gonna have stroke....." until Woody's team gets him off of the guy.

He never even considered retaliating against the old guy. I'm not even sure he felt him hit him.

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That happened in my hometown of Jacksonville at the Gator Bowl.

The player Hayes punched (Charlie Bauman?) said he didn’t feel it because he was so excited about getting the game winning INT.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
That happened in my hometown of Jacksonville at the Gator Bowl.

The player Hayes punched (Charlie Bauman?) said he didn’t feel it because he was so excited about getting the game winning INT.
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I remember seeing it on TV and laughing that he throat punched the guy.

EVERY football player knows the throat/chin is a good vulnerable spot but Woody can't phase the kid.

It would've been awful, but oddly acceptable, if he'd shoved the old coach off of him but he didn't. I don't think anyone from Clemson went after Coach Hayes but tOSU players/coaches move Hayes off of him.

I was young then and found the whole thing funny. Older now, I realize Coach Hayes.....like Coach Howard....... shouldn't be a head coach at a major university because he lacks the self discipline himself that he needs to instill in his team.
 
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Caculator said:
The one Howard b!tch slapped ran up running his coc sucer and got ganked
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Hard to argue with this and if I am CJH this is the exact quote that I am using to explain myself to the UM President , UM AD , & Big10 Commish .

If there is ever a new “Chapelle show “ this would be a perfect addition to the. “When keepin it real goes horribly wrong “ sketches.
 
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