Kansas irrelevant.

[droski]

where's this phantom money from duke or kansas football coming from? tv contract? no it stinks. season tickets? no that stinks. donations? don't make me laugh.

 

[hatvol96]

where's this phantom money from duke or kansas football coming from? tv contract? no it stinks. season tickets? no that stinks. donations? don't make me laugh.

I bet Indiana football lights cigars with $100 bills. Iowa State football would be able to wipe out the federal deficit if they'd only share some of their largesse.

 

[hatvol96]

Look up the numbers yourself.

I have, on several occasions. That's why I'm laughing at you.

 

[Jaytrain5]

I bet Indiana football lights cigars with $100 bills. If Iowa State football would be able to wipe out the federal deficit if they'd only share some of their largesse.

Don't go tryin' to spin this with all yer big city lawyer talk. fb is king.

Vandy football raked in more cash last year than the entire Western Conference of the NBA.

 

[IPorange]

Duke lacrosse may make a more comparable amount of money to Duke football than basketball.

 

[hatvol96]

Don't go tryin' to spin this with all yer big city lawyer talk. fb is king.

Vandy football raked in more cash last year than the entire Western Conference of the NBA.

I think Baylor and Washington State should have to take some of their massive football profits and help cover BP's end of the cleanup in the Gulf.

 

[TNsnyper20]

well my dad can beat up your dad...

 

[GoVols2003]

I think Baylor and Washington State should have to take some of their massive football profits and help cover BP's end of the cleanup in the Gulf.

Not sure if you have weighed in, but I am curious..... If you are Slive....do you stay with 12, or who do you look to add?

 

[hatvol96]

Not sure if you have weighed in, but I am curious..... If you are Slive....do you stay with 12, or who do you look to add?

I don't see any rational reason for the SEC to expand. The only teams that might might be attractive enough to TV for the SEC to command a higher per team share are Texas and Oklahoma. They appear to be going west. Thus, anything the SEC does is just expansion for expansion's sake. I think that is nonsense.

 

[droski]

I don't see any rational reason for the SEC to expand. The only teams that might might be attractive enough to TV for the SEC to command a higher per team share are Texas and Oklahoma. They appear to be going west. Thus, anything the SEC does is just expansion for expansion's sake. I think that is nonsense.

it definetly doesn't make sense unless you can dump vandy and MSU.

 

[volberry]

Ok I did do more research and this is why fb is king. Most athletic dept lose money. Duke is one of them even with the great bb program. Only 15-18 schools athletic dept makes huge enough profits to run independently. And they do so because of the huge fb programs. Texas, FL, OK are a few. This is why the other schools depend on the fb powers houses to rake in all the bcs money and tv contracts to share the revenue withthem. So yes if Kansas or Duke weren't in BCS fb conferences then they would not be able to even sustain the bb program. Which we will see when Kansas has to go to Conference USA. That's why Bill Self is upset he knows this will effect recruiting to not have the premier conference games anymore. So as I have stated fb pays the bills thta makes everything go. I just glad all our sports are solid and that we are a fb school.

 

[hatvol96]

Ok I did do more research and this is why fb is king. Most athletic dept lose money. Duke is one of them even with the great bb program. Only 15-18 schools athletic dept makes huge enough profits to run independently. And they do so because of the huge fb programs. Texas, FL, OK are a few. This is why the other schools depend on the fb powers houses to rake in all the bcs money and tv contracts to share the revenue withthem. So yes if Kansas or Duke weren't in BCS fb conferences then they would not be able to even sustain the bb program. Which we will see when Kansas has to go to Conference USA. That's why Bill Self is upset he knows this will effect recruiting to not have the premier conference games anymore. So as I have stated fb pays the bills thta makes everything go. I just glad all our sports are solid and that we are a fb school.

The fact only 10 percent of D-I makes money shows how utterly stupid your point about football is. Most places, football is a huge expense with no return. Good to see your grasp of economics is just as loose as your hold on reality.
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[iuvol2012]

The fact only 10 percent of D-I makes money shows how utterly stupid your point about football is. Most places, football is a huge expense with no return. Good to see your grasp of economics is just as loose as your hold on reality.
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Just out of curiosity, how profitable is basketball in most places?

 

[volberry]

I found this proven document lol. As it states the fb schools that may or may not have top bb programs dictate the revenue. Not a non bcs conference dept until the late 50's ranking. Bottom half of the fbs. Further proving that footbal makes the college world go round. It's great to be a vol!!!

As the figures indicate, the athletic departments with the highest revenue typically are from schools that fill 80,000- to 100,000-seat football stadiums on autumn Saturdays and come from conferences that receive an automatic Bowl Championship Series bid.


Rank School Total Revenue Conference
1st Texas $120,288,370 Big 12
2nd Ohio State $117,953,712 Big Ten
3rd Florida $106,030,895 Southeastern Conference
4th Michigan $99,027,105 Big Ten
5th Wisconsin $93,452,334 Big Ten
6th Penn State $91,570,233 Big Ten
7th Auburn $89,305,326 Southeastern Conference
8th Alabama $88,869,810 Southeastern Conference
9th Tennessee $88,719,798 Southeastern Conference
10th Oklahoma State $88,554,438 Big 12
11th Kansas $86,009,257 Big 12
12th Louisiana State $84,183,362 Southeastern Conference
13th Georgia $84,020,180 Southeastern Conference
14th Notre Dame $83,352,439 Independent
15th Iowa $81,148,310 Big Ten
16th Michigan State $77,738,746 Big Ten
17th Oklahoma $77,098,009 Big 12
18th Stanford $76,661,466 Pac-10
19th University of Southern California $76,409,919 Pac-10
20th Nebraska $75,492,884 Big 12
21st Texas A&M $74,781,640 Big 12
22nd Kentucky $71,186,184 Southeastern Conference
23rd Duke $67,820,335 ACC
24th South Carolina $66,545,953 Southeastern Conference
25th UCLA $66,088,264 Pac-10
26th Virginia $65,400,485 ACC
27th Arkansas $64,197,470 Southeastern Conference
28th California $63,884,710 Pac-10
29th Minnesota $63,782,454 Big Ten
30th Purdue $62,093,614 Big Ten
31st North Carolina–Chapel Hill $61,263,269 ACC
32nd Boston College $61,203,340 ACC
33rd Washington $60,729,016 Pac-10
34th Clemson $59,126,212 ACC
35th Illinois $57,167,843 Big Ten
36th Oregon $56,623,902 Pac-10
37th Virginia Tech $56,029,172 ACC
38th Indiana $54,839,398 Big Ten
39th Connecticut $54,721,742 Big East
40th West Virginia $54,262,716 Big East
41st Maryland $54,171,741 ACC
42nd Arizona State $53,479,441 Pac-10
43rd Colorado $52,631,896 Big 12
44th Louisville $52,203,604 Big East
45th Rutgers $50,181,300 Big East
46th Missouri $49,113,786 Big 12
47th Kansas State $48,160,113 Big 12
48th Oregon State $47,185,827 Pac-10
49th Georgia Tech $47,126,247 ACC
50th Arizona $46,988,400 Pac-10
51st Miami (Fla.) $46,849,990 ACC
52nd Vanderbilt $45,521,855 Southeastern Conference
53rd Florida State $45,414,953 ACC
54th Syracuse $44,702,831 Big East
55th North Carolina State $44,553,795 ACC
56th Baylor $44,151,763 Big 12
57th Texas Christian University $43,439,777 Mountain West
58th Texas Tech $42,844,855 Big 12
59th Northwestern $41,835,733 Big Ten
60th Wake Forest $39,961,624 ACC
61st Pittsburgh $39,741,621 Big East
62nd Washington State $39,621,059 Pac-10
63rd Iowa State $38,642,013 Big 12
64th BYU $36,695,623 Mountain West
65th Mississippi $34,769,709 Southeastern Conference
66th USF $34,727,263 Big East
67th Cincinnati $33,886,561 Big East
68th Memphis $33,393,717 Conference USA
69th SMU $33,031,503 Conference USA
70th Hawaii $33,012,865 Western Athletic Conference
71st UNLV $32,796,515 Mountain West
72nd San Diego State $31,697,560 Mountain West
73rd Houston $30,856,264 Conference USA
74th Air Force Academy $30,604,249 Mountain West
75th Mississippi State $30,440,090 Southeastern Conference
76th East Carolina $29,268,128 Conference USA
77th New Mexico $28,806,308 Mountain West
78th UCF $28,775,770 Conference USA
79th Temple $27,478,056 Mid-American Conference
80th Utah $26,949,005 Mountain West
81st Rice $26,767,228 Conference USA
82nd Fresno State $26,273,405 Western Athletic Conference
83rd Tulsa $25,797,664 Conference USA
84th New Mexico State $25,065,502 Western Athletic Conference
85th Wyoming $23,717,482 Mountain West
86th Miami (Ohio) $23,263,940 Mid-American Conference
87th UTEP $23,182,621 Conference USA
88th Colorado State $22,093,683 Mountain West
89th Boise State $21,777,002 Western Athletic Conference
90th UAB $21,566,166 Conference USA
91st Central Michigan $21,493,640 Mid-American Conference
92nd Marshall $21,340,076 Conference USA
93rd Nevada $21,057,972 Western Athletic Conference
94th Ohio $20,448,176 Mid-American Conference
95th Florida International $20,230,655 Sun Belt Conference
96th Tulane $20,029,935 Conference USA
97th Western Kentucky $19,957,909 Independent
98th Eastern Michigan $19,341,287 Mid-American Conference
99th Northern Illinois $19,199,427 Mid-American Conference
100th Western Michigan $19,190,254 Mid-American Conference
101st Buffalo $19,080,151 Mid-American Conference
102nd Kent State $18,891,133 Mid-American Conference
103rd San Jose State $18,318,325 Western Athletic Conference
104th Toledo $18,127,253 Mid-American Conference
105th Bowling Green $18,087,524 Mid-American Conference
106th Akron $17,942,424 Mid-American Conference
107th Ball State $17,427,728 Mid-American Conference
108th Middle Tennessee State $17,254,577 Sun Belt Conference
109th North Texas $15,762,952 Sun Belt Conference
110th Florida Atlantic $14,751,549 Sun Belt Conference
111th Southern Miss $14,472,618 Conference USA
112th Utah State $13,205,337 Western Athletic Conference
113th Troy $13,134,964 Sun Belt Conference
114th Idaho $12,896,488 Western Athletic Conference
115th Louisiana Tech $12,465,865 Western Athletic Conference
116th Louisiana-Lafayette $11,134,598 Sun Belt Conference
117th Arkansas State $10,456,754 Sun Belt Conference
118th Louisiana-Monroe $7,733,035 Sun Belt Conference

 

[volberry]

Here's another article I found. this proves that the best bb programs have to have front to even make it to secure their profits. Without being in a bcs fb conference they couldn't do it. Have fun reading it


The comparison between basketball revenues and profits is interesting, but not precise. That's because schools have latitude in their filings with the Department of Education in whether they attribute some expenses and revenues to a specific sport or a more general classification for their entire athletic department.

Many schools use that latitude to have revenue and expenses for one sport equal one another rather than show a profit or a loss, a trick of accounting that wouldn't pass muster with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Some schools even make their programs look worse. Duke University, a top seed in this year's NCAA men's basketball tournament, reported the largest loss of any men's basketball program last year after years of annual profits in the $4 million to $5 million range. The school said that was due to a shift in revenue to the non-sport specific classification.




Many schools use that latitude to have revenue and expenses for one sport equal one another rather than show a profit or a loss, a trick of accounting that wouldn't pass muster with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Some schools even make their programs look worse. Duke University, a top seed in this year's NCAA men's basketball tournament, reported the largest loss of any men's basketball program last year after years of annual profits in the $4 million to $5 million range. The school said that was due to a shift in revenue to the non-sport specific classification.

Still, it's clear that men's basketball is a major source of funding for many colleges, and that profits are still far more common than losses for the major teams in March Madness. The numbers in the chart below reflect only dollars attributed to men's basketball.

 

[CardassianVol]

That 11th place team sure looks irrelevant on a list that long. It stands more to reason that the original poster is overcompensating for the fact that the only competitive major sport at UT is basketball by pretending that everything is ok as long as people buy shirts that say "Tennessee Football" for their dachshunds.
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[hatvol96]

Still, it's clear that men's basketball is a major source of funding for many colleges, and that profits are still far more common than losses for the major teams in March Madness.

The fact you use this line to attempt to prove your point validates what I've said about you.
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[volberry]

LOL!!! That was what is in the article. And what the experts are saying is that without a successful ad dept which is not possible with out the bcs fb then these teams couldn't even hide revenues to add to the overall profits. And they wouldn't be as successful without fb to support them. Duke and Kansas would be Gonzaga.

 

[volberry]

UNC athletic department struggles to make profit
2 commentsFebruary 2, 2010Powell LatimerSenior Writer
UNC lags in sports revenue among peersRoy Williams sits at a midweek press conference early this season in the Smith Center, answering questions about collegiate athletics.

“If we play one fewer home game, it affects field hockey, it affects baseball, it affects everything we do here,” Williams said.

Williams’ statement was in response to a potential shortening of the college basketball schedule, but his overarching point is true as well: Non-revenue sports depend on men’s basketball and football for funding.

And North Carolina’s broad-based athletics program is becoming a rarity as collegiate athletics drifts toward big money, bringing UNC along for a ride it may not be able to keep up with.

Non-revenue commitment

North Carolina’s athletic program contains 28 varsity programs and more than 867 varsity athletes, supported by more than $70 million of annual revenue. More than half of that revenue comes from football and men’s basketball.

In the past four years, UNC either won the NCAA title or finished as the runner-up seven times — in field hockey twice, women’s soccer three times, women’s lacrosse and men’s basketball.

Athletic Director Dick Baddour and the University are committed to supporting those non-revenue sports.

“I look at the broad-based program as a core value of the University,” Baddour said. “I believe that’s what our fans want, our students want, our faculty wants.”

But UNC and Baddour compete against a host of major universities with huge cash flows and fewer programs to support, and the Tar Heels struggle to keep pace. Many major universities opt to support the minimum 16 varsity teams required for Division-I status.

Take the University of Texas. The athletics department reported revenue of more than $138 million last year — almost double UNC’s.

But the Longhorn athletic department fields only 19 varsity teams.

“When athletic directors get together, we talk about this model,” Baddour said. “We have the same concerns. It’s like OK, does this thing blow up on us? It’s my job to see that it doesn’t.”

The stories are similar at schools in powerful football conferences like the Big 12 and SEC. Florida easily supports 16 varsity teams on its $108 million in revenue for 2008-2009.

Those schools can not only outspend UNC in football, but also in basketball, women’s soccer, gymnastics and everything else. It puts UNC sports at a competitive disadvantage across the board.

Big-money universities also report sizeable surpluses in the athletic department. Texas reported $25 million more revenue than expenses in 2008-09. Both LSU and Florida topped $6 million in surplus.

On the other hand, UNC finished 2008-09 year reporting less than $200,000 in surplus.

Making ends meet

That small and tenuous surplus is the reason that UNC pumps money into building up the football program.

Success on the field can jump-start increased revenue from football and help cushion the athletic department budget.

But UNC remains just middle-class in wins and losses despite massive investments in enclosing Kenan Stadium with premium luxury seating.

And while UNC isn’t currently close to cutting any programs, UNC’s broad-based model is under strain to fund all 28 programs.

“Sometimes when we’re putting the budget together, I’m wondering where’s that extra $25,000, $100,000 going to come from,” Baddour said.

For the non-revenue sports, that manifests itself in second-rate facilities and budget crunches. Non-revenue sports routinely go over budget, both at UNC and elsewhere in the ACC.

Coaches fill the holes with money from off-season camps, money that they could keep, based on their contracts.

“The myth is that UNC has a lot of money,” women’s lacrosse coach Jenny Levy said.

Fetzer Field, home to lacrosse, soccer, and track and field programs, is in dire need of renovations. Carmichael Arena offers a shiny new home for women’s basketball as well as extensive office space, but it’s harder to get donors to give to operating budgets.

What suffers is team travel, recruiting and daily operations — tough choices that big-money programs don’t have to make.

A ‘zero-sum game’

The Knight Commission on Intercollegiate Athletics has already done some probing on the subject. In October, it released a survey of 119 university presidents. Many felt that the current model is unsustainable.

Hodding Carter III is a former president of the Knight Foundation, a member of the Knight Commission on Intercollegiate athletics and a professor at UNC.

Carter and the commission are concerned by what he says is a “zero-sum game” in college athletics.

“Today’s expansion is just a predicate for the next one,” Carter said.

“I just think it’s a dog’s game to be constantly pursuing your own tail in this steady buildup.”

Some UNC coaches say that the solution might be to take college football out of the equation for compliance rules. Carter said that one option might be to make big-time football a semiprofessional sport. Baddour said he just wants to run a program that operates in the black.

But even Baddour agrees that changes could be in the works, saying that continuing along the trend toward big-time sports might not be infinitely sustainable.

“If we have the growth (across the board) in the next four or five years that we’ve had in the last four or five, it might not be,” he said.

 

[Velo Vol]

UNC athletic department struggles to make profit

This (and many other stories like it) is the real force behind conference realignment and eventual football post season change.

 

[oUTKickedCoverage]

How many programs are in the red because of their inability to scrap together a decent budget. There is no way an athletic department should take 20+ million a year to run unless you choose to spend in excess.

As far as the basketball vs. football argument goes, in actual gate and concession sales it's unlikely any FBS school makes more money on basketball. However, in an indirect sense there are programs that would have trouble maintaining conference membership and the resulting TV contracts without their basketball program.

Does anyone think Temple wouldn't still be in the Big East if they had been competing for basketball titles on a yearly basis during the late 90s?

Seriously, according to this, Duke basketball pulled in $11mil but the AD as a whole generated $67mil. North Carolina comes the closest, with 1/3 of their revenue coming from basketball.

An aside, don't get in an argument with hatvol... he'd argue that the earth revolves around the moon with a brick wall until the wall collapsed out of frustration. Once he is committed to an argument, it would take an act of god to get him to budge on his position. Should go into politics.

 

[volberry]

point taken

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

it definetly doesn't make sense unless you can dump vandy and msu.

^^^this^^^

 

[volberry]

Just enjoy being a vol and let the bball stuff go you guys lol. FB is king

 

[lylsmorr]

Just enjoy being a vol and let the bball stuff go you guys lol. FB is king

Our respective records recently say otherwise.