Kavanaugh Confirmation

[ajvol01]

Here's the disconnect. It's not really pro-abortion. It's pro-choice. It's about the government not controlling what a woman can do with her body. Pro-life folks seem to think they get together and have baby-killing parties or something.

Tax payer funded abortion clinics like Planned Parenthood is most definitely pro abortion.

Are you aware of the selling of aborted babies - bodies, tissue, organs, arms, legs?

It's a sickening for profit business.

 

[Vol_Doc]

Hitler decided that life which was dependent on other lives was ok to kill. He didn't distinguish between in womb and out. You have some reason to make the distinction. I don't.

What place does government have to limit your rights to murder? Government will enforce a morality. It's just a matter of which one the government will enforce.

I figured you would go there. Government makes murder of one citizen by another illegal, because the act of murder infringes on the rights of the murdered citizen. That's less about taking life than about citizens' rights. The government, after all, can take the lives of its citizens, when deemed appropriate. It effectively says your right to live has been revoked. Now, is a baby in utero a citizen in the eyes of the state? That's an interesting question.

 

[Vol_Doc]

Then why does it appear to be the only issue they seemed to get outraged about? Abortion is not at the top or even near the top of most women's daily lives.

The only issue? That's a little disingenuous.

 

[0nelilreb]

I figured you would go there. Government makes murder of one citizen by another illegal, because the act of murder infringes on the rights of the murdered citizen. That's less about taking life than about citizens' rights. The government, after all, can take the lives of its citizens, when deemed appropriate. It effectively says your right to live has been revoked. Now, is a baby in utero a citizen in the eyes of the state? That's an interesting question.

You almost had it until the middle part , our government can’t just take the lives of people unless theve first broken the law . If a baby is considered a baby then yes it has right under the law . But that leads us right back to the craziness of is a baby a baby .

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I think this is true. On the flip side, I've never understood the hypocrisy of those on the pro-life side that think it's okay to kill abortion doctors or bomb abortion clinics. It's like WTF??! Crazy people are everywhere.

I would wager the number of those pales in comparison to the loonies on the left.

 

[1972 Grad]

This thread will start to go away soon.

 

[Matt2496]

The only issue? That's a little disingenuous.

It's the definitely at the forefront right now.

 

[Vol_Doc]

Tax payer funded abortion clinics like Planned Parenthood is most definitely pro abortion.

Are you aware of the selling of aborted babies - bodies, tissue, organs, arms, legs?

It's a sickening for profit business.

I'm actually against public funding for abortion, as well as selling of fetal tissue. Not sure what that has to do with my post, though.

 

[0nelilreb]

This thread will start to go away soon.

So will the liberal protestors after Ks first week

 

[CagleMtnVol]

 

[Biopsyman]

And she wonders why she does not have a boyfriend

 

[Orange_Crush]

I figured you would go there. Government makes murder of one citizen by another illegal, because the act of murder infringes on the rights of the murdered citizen. That's less about taking life than about citizens' rights. The government, after all, can take the lives of its citizens, when deemed appropriate. It effectively says your right to live has been revoked. Now, is a baby in utero a citizen in the eyes of the state? That's an interesting question.

Your question was whether gov't should enforce a belief system. Is it your argument that the government does not enforce a belief system when it comes to morality?

This isn't a complicated question.

And it's interesting that you bring it down to life in the womb. You have no choice but to bring it down to "location", as you have no other qualification to kill a baby. You claim it's a matter of dependence on others to live. Well, two seconds out of the womb, it is just as dependent, but you'd throw mom in prison. In a nursing home, it's just as dependent, but you'd throw a nurse in prison. In a mental health facility some are just as dependent, but you'd throw (whomever) in prison.

You're making the argument that it's OK for a mother to kill as long as the life is defenseless and dependent on her. That's your morality. Location isn't enough to make it any prettier.

As to whether that location difference (womb) shields the baby of citizen rights, it would seem that the law calling the baby a murder when anyone else kills it, would indicate that US gov't issues citizen rights to the baby. (Except if it's inconvenient for the life to be dependent on its mother, of course.)

 

[0nelilreb]

And she wonders why she does not have a boyfriend

She doesn’t want a man , why would she need one she had 12 cats

 

[FLVOL69]

 

[Vol_Doc]

No it’s about population control and mass genocide wrapped in the veil of woman’s rights.

We aren’t aborting rich kids.

We are wiping out the sector or population that our government doesn’t want to get truly educated and free of the Jim Crowe laws.

The woman’s right part is a bunch of lies. Just go google RBG own words on why she passed it. And it’s not a coincidence this law happened within 10 years of the Jim Crowe laws being dismantled.

Well, we're not doing a very good job then, because poor minorities have the highest birth rates. Are you serious?

 

[FLVOL69]

She doesn’t want a man , why would she need one she had 12 cats

Which explains a lot

 

[Orange_Crush]

You almost had it until the middle part , our government can’t just take the lives of people unless theve first broken the law . If a baby is considered a baby then yes it has right under the law . But that leads us right back to the craziness of is a baby a baby .

The law already considers a baby a baby, as it puts murder charges on anyone (but the one it depends on) that kills it.

 

[Biopsyman]

Now that is over.. can we all agree that Dr Ford was a complete wack job living in fantasy land

 

[CagleMtnVol]

And she wonders why she does not have a boyfriend

 

[CagleMtnVol]

They should have enough security and walk Judge Kavanaugh right through the middle of the protesters and up those steps with Thunderstruck blaring in the background!

 

[82_VOL_83]

Here's the disconnect. It's not really pro-abortion. It's pro-choice. It's about the government not controlling what a woman can do with her body. Pro-life folks seem to think they get together and have baby-killing parties or something.

I fully support your opinion as I am pro choice, just the other side of the coin. I don't want one red cent of my tax money to pay for a woman's choice. That's where we part ways..

 

[Biopsyman]

I fully support your opinion as I am pro choice, just the other side of the coin. I don't want one red cent of my tax money to pay for a woman's choice. That's where we part ways..

Each state should decide if they want to allow it or not

 

[FLVOL69]

 

[Biopsyman]

I don’t see anyone opening til 2024 after Trump leaves office

 

[82_VOL_83]

I figured you would go there. Government makes murder of one citizen by another illegal, because the act of murder infringes on the rights of the murdered citizen. That's less about taking life than about citizens' rights. The government, after all, can take the lives of its citizens, when deemed appropriate. It effectively says your right to live has been revoked. Now, is a baby in utero a citizen in the eyes of the state? That's an interesting question.

Of course they are. Try killing a pregnant woman and see how many life sentences you get.