Kavanaugh Confirmation

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Orange_Crush said:
More black babies are aborted in NYC than born, last I looked at the stats. Lots of AA community are waking up and becoming radical pro-life. They recognize PP and the pro-choice movement as a black/minority genocide campaign.
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I am so glad someone else on here gets this. I just want to thank you. This issue has bothered me for years and sometimes I feel no one else gets it.

Just nice to see I am not alone here.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It's up to the Dems. Nominate a moderate governor type, and Trump gets walloped. Nominate Booker, and it's going to be a nail biter.
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Booker have zero chance.. she showed to be an idiot during the hearing. The Dems better go that route because their senators look like amateur night over the past 2 weeks
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Your question was whether gov't should enforce a belief system. Is it your argument that the government does not enforce a belief system when it comes to morality?

This isn't a complicated question.

And it's interesting that you bring it down to life in the womb. You have no choice but to bring it down to "location", as you have no other qualification to kill a baby. You claim it's a matter of dependence on others to live. Well, two seconds out of the womb, it is just as dependent, but you'd throw mom in prison. In a nursing home, it's just as dependent, but you'd throw a nurse in prison. In a mental health facility some are just as dependent, but you'd throw (whomever) in prison.

You're making the argument that it's OK for a mother to kill as long as the life is defenseless and dependent on her. That's your morality. Location isn't enough to make it any prettier.

As to whether that location difference (womb) shields the baby of citizen rights, it would seem that the law calling the baby a murder when anyone else kills it, would indicate that US gov't issues citizen rights to the baby. (Except if it's inconvenient for the life to be dependent on its mother, of course.)
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The primary role of the government, in my opinion, is to provide infrastructure and protect the rights of its citizens both domestically and from foreign threats. The question of when life begins is traditionally influenced by religious beliefs more than scientific benchmarks. If my religion holds that life begins at conception, but that of another does not, the state should not side with one over the other. That was my point about belief system.

In considering other laws on the books, they generally involve protecting an individual's rights. Your rights end once they infringe on mine. Thus, murder being illegal.

Another way to think of the dependence of the baby on the mother's womb is that in carrying a child to term, the woman is deciding to bring that life into the world. Without her, it would never come into existence. If she chooses to end the pregnancy, she's decided not to bring that life into the world, for what reason.

The abortion rate is currently on the decline. I still think the best way to reduce abortion is counseling of expectant mothers.
 
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Biopsyman said:
Now that is over.. can we all agree that Dr Ford was a complete wack job living in fantasy land
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I don't believe for one minute she was a wack job. She played the part too well. I think she deserves a daytime Emmy, that's about it. This was a well orchestrated campaign by the democrats to try and take down BK in hopes that they would win the senate and leave the seat open for two years in hopes of winning the white house. After hearing her for about 5 min I knew it was all a made up pile of horse crap.
 
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Vol_Doc said:
The primary role of the government, in my opinion, is to provide infrastructure and protect the rights of its citizens both domestically and from foreign threats. The question of when life begins is traditionally influenced by religious beliefs more than scientific benchmarks. If my religion holds that life begins at conception, but that of another does not, the state should not side with one over the other. That was my point about belief system.

In considering other laws on the books, they generally involve protecting an individual's rights. Your rights end once they infringe on mine. Thus, murder being illegal.

Another way to think of the dependence of the baby on the mother's womb is that in carrying a child to term, the woman is deciding to bring that life into the world. Without her, it would never come into existence. If she chooses to end the pregnancy, she's decided not to bring that life into the world, for what reason.

The abortion rate is currently on the decline. I still think the best way to reduce abortion is counseling of expectant mothers.
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You didn't answer my question as to whether gov't enforces a moral belief system. Is it you argument that the gov't does not enforce a moral belief system?

I'm surprised that you are a doctor and claim that the beginning of life is not a scientific question. EVERY doctor that I have ever spoken to on the subject (many) have said that it is an individual, genetically human life when it develops its own heartbeat. I've read federal court testimony on the subject by Drs who classified it as such.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It's up to the Dems. Nominate a moderate governor type, and Trump gets walloped. Nominate Booker, and it's going to be a nail biter.
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Lol, your party and moderate don’t even belong in the same sentence, I told you that you guys were moving further and further to the left and after this despicable shlt show your side has put on you’re toast..#Walkaway 😂955FB819-8237-4D16-84CF-DC053AC36CF7.png3F7136CB-9340-4AD5-A552-B10189A2EE80.png
 
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Biopsyman said:
I don’t see anyone opening til 2024 after Trump leaves office
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I could see Clarence Thomas retire so Trump could pick a conservative replacement so he could stick it to the Democrats one more time.

I'll also be surprised if RBG can make that long health wise. She will be 90 or better by then.
 
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Biopsyman said:
Booker have zero chance.. she showed to be an idiot during the hearing. The Dems better go that route because their senators look like amateur night over the past 2 weeks
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Booker is the bald black dude with a floater. You must be referring to she as Kuala Kamala Harris.
 
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