Kavanaugh Confirmation

[luthervol]

We tried, they shoot arrows at us.

I'm guessing it wasn't deserted.

 

[InVOLuntary]

You must have slept through the Bush Admin, when Republicans and Democrats alike were bitching about health care cost. Now you have a boogeyman to try to blame it on. Typical of the Republican party and they still havent done sh!t to lower costs.

No,I was able to provide excellent health insurance for my employees throughout the Bush years. It wasn't until Obama care passed that premiums quadrupled for less coverage. It's obvious you haven't experienced trying to get insured through Obama care. There's zero way to spin it other than a failed attempt redistribute wealth through socialism, a normal democrat agenda.

 

[Mick]

No,I was able to provide excellent health insurance for my employees throughout the Bush years. It wasn't until Obama care passed that premiums quadrupled for less coverage. It's obvious you haven't experienced trying to get insured through Obama care. There's zero way to spin it other than a failed attempt redistribute wealth through socialism, a normal democrat agenda.

Bull. If you had such great healthcare there is no reason to even have experience trying to get insured through obamacare. Which state were you trying to get this Obamacare?

 

[DancingOutlaw]

Bull. If you had such great healthcare there is no reason to even have experience trying to get insured through obamacare. Which state were you trying to get this Obamacare?

If you were a young single man your premiums increased dramatically due to changes in the compression ratios and gender realignments. Lots of small businesses with majority male employees could no longer provide affordable coverage.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Bull. If you had such great healthcare there is no reason to even have experience trying to get insured through obamacare. Which state were you trying to get this Obamacare?

You absolutely know nothing about what you are talking about. Blue Cross Blue Shield pulled out of Tennessee as a result of Obama care. When I went to find another carrier they just laughed.

 

[luthervol]

How has U.S. spending on healthcare changed over time? - Peterson-Kaiser Health System Tracker

Lots of good info. Health care was spiraling out of control in unsustainable ways long before Obama. There were many trends that were at least partially corrected under Obama. Had the repubs. not been intent on politicizing, demonizing, and ruining Obamacare; but instead constructively worked to help, we wouldn't be in the position we are today. Talk about kicking the can down the road. Repubs. proved they do not have the backbone nor the ideas needed to address the health care issue.

 

[luthervol]

You absolutely know nothing about what you are talking about. Blue Cross Blue Shield pulled out of Tennessee as a result of Obama care. When I went to find another carrier they just laughed.

Those issues could have been addressed with any semblance of a republican backbone.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

Obamacare signups are lagging last year by 10%. Democrats say it’s because the marketing budget has been cut so people don’t know to sign up. Now you’d think since healthcare is apparently a life or death necessity the people needing to sign up could bother to set a reminder on their phone or put a post it somewhere. Or think back to the year before and say hmm didn’t I have to do something about my insurance around this time? If Obama is having to tweet to remind you to get health insurance it must not be that big a deal.

 

[hog88]

Those issues could have been addressed with any semblance of a republican backbone.

Dems pass ****** legislation but it’s the Rs fault because they didn’t fix it?

 

[0nelilreb]

Dems pass ****** legislation but it’s the Rs fault because they didn’t fix it?

To be fair , maybe they they couldn’t see what was in it until they voted it in .

 

[luthervol]

Dems pass ****** legislation but it’s the Rs fault because they didn’t fix it?

Another way of saying that is............
Dems. attempted to address a critical national issue that was widely recognized as spiraling out of control and instead of attempting to help, the only action from repubs. was a calculated attempt to politicize, demonize, and destroy. And then when they finally had their moment in the sun when they controlled absolutely everything......they came up with zilch.

 

[LouderVol]

How has U.S. spending on healthcare changed over time? - Peterson-Kaiser Health System Tracker

Lots of good info. Health care was spiraling out of control in unsustainable ways long before Obama. There were many trends that were at least partially corrected under Obama. Had the repubs. not been intent on politicizing, demonizing, and ruining Obamacare; but instead constructively worked to help, we wouldn't be in the position we are today. Talk about kicking the can down the road. Repubs. proved they do not have the backbone nor the ideas needed to address the health care issue.

1. the republicans didn't even know what was in the bill. Remember you have to pass it to see whats in it?
2. It increased costs. apparently the cure for high health care costs was to take action to ensure that costs went even higher?

 

[LouderVol]

[QUOTE="DancingOutlaw, post: 16186322, member: 35682"]If you were a young single man your premiums increased dramatically due to changes in the compression ratios and gender realignments. Lots of small businesses with majority male employees could no longer provide affordable coverage.[/QUOTE]
preach. I almost feel like posting my pay stubs from over the years, but they never would address it anyway.

The healthy got hosed, so that the Democrats could pretend to help the unhealthy. the result of which is that everyone has had costs go up without any better coverage or care.

 

[LouderVol]

Another way of saying that is............
Dems. attempted to address a critical national issue that was widely recognized as spiraling out of control and instead of attempting to help, the only action from repubs. was a calculated attempt to politicize, demonize, and destroy. And then when they finally had their moment in the sun when they controlled absolutely everything......they came up with zilch.

Americans politics for at least the last ~20 years (as long as I have been paying attention). what you described is not a Republican issue. its not a Democrat issue either. its the two party issue.

can't have the other side coming up with a good solution, because that would weaken my ability to sell my side, and them as the bad guys.

 

[luthervol]

1. the republicans didn't even know what was in the bill. Remember you have to pass it to see whats in it?
2. It increased costs. apparently the cure for high health care costs was to take action to ensure that costs went even higher?

Read the study provided and get back.

 

[LouderVol]

Read the study provided and get back.

spending GROWTH has SLOWED. not declined, not steadied out, slowed. and not even slowed to pre-ACA levels.

 

[05_never_again]

Another way of saying that is............
Dems. attempted to address a critical national issue that was widely recognized as spiraling out of control and instead of attempting to help, the only action from repubs. was a calculated attempt to politicize, demonize, and destroy. And then when they finally had their moment in the sun when they controlled absolutely everything......they came up with zilch.

Didn't Dems have filibuster-proof majorities when ACA was passed? They could have written and passed any bill they wanted. If any Dems are upset about it because it is watered down, doesn't address XYZ, etc., they only have themselves to blame. Obama himself advocated universal single payer, then public option during the campaign, then signed a bill with neither into law. The bill that was actually passed was an idea floated by Republicans and the Heritage Foundation in the early 90s.

The Republican obstructionism argument, by definition, only can hold water from 2010 on.

 

[hog88]

Another way of saying that is............
Dems. attempted to address a critical national issue that was widely recognized as spiraling out of control and instead of attempting to help, the only action from repubs. was a calculated attempt to politicize, demonize, and destroy. And then when they finally had their moment in the sun when they controlled absolutely everything......they came up with zilch.

So, the Dems had complete control, wouldn't look at any alternatives, passed crappy legislation, figured out it was crap (all the delays) and still with complete control didn't fix it. Yet it's the Rs fault? I got that right?

I do agree with you that after 6 years it was utter incompetence not to have a replacement bill ready to pass day 1 of Trumps presidency. Probably the main reason they lost the house.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Those issues could have been addressed with any semblance of a republican backbone.

Bull shat. You democomunist passed a bill that crushed our medical insurance system. Obama knew once the Genie was out of the bottle it couldn't be put back in. It was the first step toward socialized medicine. Obama and the dems knew this.

 

[InVOLuntary]

1. the republicans didn't even know what was in the bill. Remember you have to pass it to see whats in it?
2. It increased costs. apparently the cure for high health care costs was to take action to ensure that costs went even higher?

I love how the dems pass a bill and then when it tanks they blame it on the republicans.

 

[LouderVol]

spending GROWTH has SLOWED. not declined, not steadied out, slowed. and not even slowed to pre-ACA levels.

and actually the study explains why things are holding as is.

Health spending as a share of the economy often increases during economic downturns and remains relatively stable during expansionary periods.

so its got nothing to do with ACA.

 

[LouderVol]

From 1980 to 2008, per capital national health expenditures grew faster than the Personal Consumption Expenditure Price Index (inflation). Starting in 2008, health spending growth slowed to a similar rate as inflation and remained relatively stable at about 3 percent growth per year. In 2014 and 2015, health spending began to grow more rapidly with the Affordable Care Act’s coverage expansion, but slowed once again in 2016 and 2017.

@luthervol
the underlined is what we should want. that was pre ACA.

the bolded is the issue. ACA came in in 2014 & 2015 and jumped costs way up, but they have somewhat corrected in 16 & 17 so you call it a victory. even though what we are paying now in 16 and 17 still far out paces the inflation growth from 2008.

the study you have posted has done nothing but hurt your case. the only positives it has is that 16 & 17 are better than 14 & 15. not that 16 & 17 are better than before 14.

 

[C-south]

Another way of saying that is............
Dems. attempted to address a critical national issue that was widely recognized as spiraling out of control and instead of attempting to help, the only action from repubs. was a calculated attempt to politicize, demonize, and destroy. And then when they finally had their moment in the sun when they controlled absolutely everything......they came up with zilch.

They attempted to fix one problem while making another problem way worse. Yay dims. We’ll get people to buy insurance that don’t need it, make it unaffordable for some that was paying, and still tax them a good chunk if they they don’t wanna pay for someone’s welfare.

 

[37L1]

They attempted to fix one problem while making another problem way worse. Yay dims. We’ll get people to buy insurance that don’t need it, make it unaffordable for some that was paying, and still tax them a good chunk if they they don’t wanna pay for someone’s welfare.

And lie about keeping your plan and your doctor.

Yay, Democrats.

 

[GAVol]

Another way of saying that is............
Dems. attempted to address a critical national issue that was widely recognized as spiraling out of control and instead of attempting to help, the only action from repubs. was a calculated attempt to politicize, demonize, and destroy. And then when they finally had their moment in the sun when they controlled absolutely everything......they came up with zilch.

In other words... the marketplace became a mess as predicted but it's not your fault because at least you had a bad idea..