Kellie Harper discussion/debate thread [merged]

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Coach Jumper said:
uniquely qualified by personal experience?
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Perhaps so! Great leaders learn from past failures and make changes. For example, take your comment on the lack of this coach to call a timeout to stop a run by the opponent.

Some people (even yourself) have seen these issues and the lack of a change. So you tell me, qualified by personal experience?

People that followed this coach at NCSU are seeing EXACTLY the same issues with the Tennessee teams!!! Go back and look at the history at NCSU and watch some of the games while she was the coach!
 
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volmanNC said:
Perhaps so! Great leaders learn from past failures and make changes. For example, take your comment on the lack of this coach to call a timeout to stop a run by the opponent.

Some people (even yourself) have seen these issues and the lack of a change. So you tell me, qualified by personal experience?

People that followed this coach at NCSU are seeing EXACTLY the same issues with the Tennessee teams!!! Go back and look at the history at NCSU and watch some of the games while she was the coach!
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Yes, I am qualified by personal experience
More importantly, I learned from it
 
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IMO what has to be addressed immediately and certainly at season end is the recruiting problems. It all starts with the players and KJH just has not been able to land the ones who will make a major difference. Except Rickea of course, and in keeping with KJH rotten injury luck, now we're without her.

Everyone knew KJH was unproven (even after 20 yrs) as a championship level coach. Ya'll aren't the only ones with access to her coaching history. But we hoped with money and facilities she'd never had before that might change. Five years later, she just hasn't been able to build a roster that would make up for her shortcomings as a coach nor for major injuries that have plagued her. Hell, but for the portal, she's barely built enough of a roster to even field a team.

But we get Nyla Brooks in two years, right? The drips and dabs of occassional recruiting success is far from enough when other teams around us are loading up.

I don't see KJH going anywhere after this year, but she certainly needs to be held accountable for the recruiting problems and the administration needs to see what they can do to help.

If the dropoff we all see coming next year does happen, IMO a serious conversation about KJH future will be had then. My hope would be, as it was with Holly, that she'll resign to help save the program she loves. Don't drag things further down by hanging on. But I realize that's very unlikely and we'll take on even more damage while the painful process plays out.

Depressing enough?
 
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glv98 said:
If the dropoff we all see coming next year does happen, IMO a serious conversation about KJH future will be had then.
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I'm not sure why we need to wait for yet another disappointing year (even if it's the worst yet) to decide that she's not the right coach. That seems abundantly clear already. Any delay probably just means that women's basketball isn't important enough to increase the urgency.
 
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ThatVolGuy said:
I'm not sure why we need to wait for yet another disappointing year (even if it's the worst yet) to decide that she's not the right coach. That seems abundantly clear already. Any delay probably just means that women's basketball isn't important enough to increase the urgency.
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Makes sense but almost never happens that way, except in football. I don't think they'll hang on as excruciatingly long as they did w Holly., but they'll hang on at least a year. Espec with a home girl and espec when she's finishing top 3 in conference and still hitting S16s. ADs don't want to seem quick on the trigger. They kind of need an even downer year, esp one without major injury, to justify. Even though yeah, we can already see.

Another huge thing that holds them back is the other half of the equation - who you gonna hire? Don't want the hire to take too long bc that looks bad. The extra year gives them time to put out feelers, see who's available, who's interested, how much money, etc. And just to review within administration what exactly is the goal and what will they spend. Because the next hire can't be rushed, has to be right.
 
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turbovol said:
White did /not/ hire the volleyball coach, and soccer has /not/ been going well under the new coach.
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Thanks for telling me...but anyway you see it AD Danny White's coaching hires should be his decision not the hierarchy...

Should they have an opinion yes, but he should have final say so....
If not why is he even employed...
 
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glv98 said:
Makes sense but almost never happens that way, except in football. I don't think they'll hang on as excruciatingly long as they did w Holly., but they'll hang on at least a year. Espec with a home girl and espec when she's finishing top 3 in conference and still hitting S16s. ADs don't want to seem quick on the trigger. They kind of need an even downer year, esp one without major injury, to justify. Even though yeah, we can already see.

Another huge thing that holds them back is the other half of the equation - who you gonna hire? Don't want the hire to take too long bc that looks bad. The extra year gives them time to put out feelers, see who's available, who's interested, how much money, etc. And just to review within administration what exactly is the goal and what will they spend. Because the next hire can't be rushed, has to be right.
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With Boyn Cooper coming in. And Wells Spear Key Darby coming back wheels may fall off next year.
 
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glv98 said:
IMO what has to be addressed immediately and certainly at season end is the recruiting problems. It all starts with the players and KJH just has not been able to land the ones who will make a major difference. Except Rickea of course, and in keeping with KJH rotten injury luck, now we're without her.

Everyone knew KJH was unproven (even after 20 yrs) as a championship level coach. Ya'll aren't the only ones with access to her coaching history. But we hoped with money and facilities she'd never had before that might change. Five years later, she just hasn't been able to build a roster that would make up for her shortcomings as a coach nor for major injuries that have plagued her. Hell, but for the portal, she's barely built enough of a roster to even field a team.

But we get Nyla Brooks in two years, right? The drips and dabs of occassional recruiting success is far from enough when other teams around us are loading up.

I don't see KJH going anywhere after this year, but she certainly needs to be held accountable for the recruiting problems and the administration needs to see what they can do to help.

If the dropoff we all see coming next year does happen, IMO a serious conversation about KJH future will be had then. My hope would be, as it was with Holly, that she'll resign to help save the program she loves. Don't drag things further down by hanging on. But I realize that's very unlikely and we'll take on even more damage while the painful process plays out.

Depressing enough?
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If they asked her resign. They should pay Kellie in full remaining on her contact. Phil Farmer got paid. Do think Tennessee going have lady Vols visiting night clubs like football team ang leaving credit there that are Kellie's. And they will add another year on Kellie contact if they don't then they be saying to recruit s sign with Tennessee you get a new coach soon.
 
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glv98 said:
Makes sense but almost never happens that way, except in football. I don't think they'll hang on as excruciatingly long as they did w Holly., but they'll hang on at least a year. Espec with a home girl and espec when she's finishing top 3 in conference and still hitting S16s. ADs don't want to seem quick on the trigger. They kind of need an even downer year, esp one without major injury, to justify. Even though yeah, we can already see.

Another huge thing that holds them back is the other half of the equation - who you gonna hire? Don't want the hire to take too long bc that looks bad. The extra year gives them time to put out feelers, see who's available, who's interested, how much money, etc. And just to review within administration what exactly is the goal and what will they spend. Because the next hire can't be rushed, has to be right.
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Agree.

Top 3 in the SEC and another sweet 16 and Kellie would be under no pressure. This is not the Tennesssee of 1990's and WCBB is way more competitive so (as Stanford and Duke can attest) Sweet 16 births are not guaranteed.

If she falls below that standard, particularly the sweet 16, I do think her leash gets shortened and feelers would go out. The timing on the Holly firing was a problem. The administration waited until the wheels came totally off and then it was a mad scramble to find a replacement.
 
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Golfteacher said:
We keep talking about the roster being flawed and maybe it is, however, have we considered that the coaching is so flawed that it cannot get the best out of its players? The defense is sloppy, the team has problems blocking out, they are a turnover waiting to happen, they have trouble setting picks, KJH has a difficult time calling timeouts, she can’t make in game changes, etc. players like Spears & Wells come here and their game goes South. Holingshead was a 5 Star McD AA, has she remotely looked the part? I was a big supporter of KJH but I believe it is time to move on.
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Bingo…Bravo…Say it again Sam…

If I had a daughter being D1 recruited including at UT, I would counsel them to evaluate how the players on the teams they are considering do 2 things before they sign:

1) Do the current ladies on that team consistently execute fundamentally as they should be?
2) Can you look at players on that team and see their personal growth from fres/soph to Jr/SR years?

If the answers to those aren’t what they should be, you know you probably will not grow as a player at that school.

The above should also answer the UT coaching question and that has nothing to do with the W-L record or whether UT would be better with more NIL $.

The above is what I would also expect the AD‘s office to be looking at.
 
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Chippo said:
If you and Jumper say its over,,,sad to say
It's over. Was really a Kellie supporter but
Wasn't happy Jon boy came as a packaged
deal. Imo he didn't help the program.
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Would have been a lot better off to give her 250k dollar raise to leave Johnboy at home and made her hire an aggressive non yes woman to replace Johnboy.
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
Would have been a lot better off to give her 250k dollar raise to leave Johnboy at home and made her hire an aggressive non yes woman to replace Johnboy.
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Some said that about Warlick: "Oh, if only she'll bring in a great assistant coach".....essentially meaning, "Oh, if only she'd hire an assistant who's a better coach than she is, we'll improve." That's not the way it's supposed to work. Many suddenly want to make the husband the scapegoat. That should stop.
 
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mudcat1973 said:
If they asked her resign. They should pay Kellie in full remaining on her contact. Phil Farmer got paid. Do think Tennessee going have lady Vols visiting night clubs like football team ang leaving credit there that are Kellie's. And they will add another year on Kellie contact if they don't then they be saying to recruit s sign with Tennessee you get a new coach soon.
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Tennessee had no issues firing a national championship football coach when apathy set in along with losing the benchmark games. Kellies players is benefiting from NIL so not sure the credit card scenario is in play here.
 
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ThatVolGuy said:
I'm not sure why we need to wait for yet another disappointing year (even if it's the worst yet) to decide that she's not the right coach. That seems abundantly clear already. Any delay probably just means that women's basketball isn't important enough to increase the urgency.
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Exactly. It's year five. It can no longer be argued Kellie hasn't been given a fair shake....
 
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