Kellie Harper discussion/debate thread [merged]

[chuckiepoo]

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Yeah. I feel insulted too.
Ageist twerp, ain’t he…

 

[glv98]

If you've never heard of an upfront signing fee for a college athlete then you've been living under a rock the last few days since the football transfer portal opened.

Heard on sportstalk radio this afternoon that Heupal really wants Walter Nolan, star defensive lineman transferring out of Texas A & M, but has already determined his asking price is too rich for their blood. So he'll probably go to Georgia or Alabama, where they can afford anyone.

 

[chuckiepoo]

That's a semantic argument. From what I've read, it is part of a NIL deal every player at South Carolina gets offered when they come to Columbia. Someone could say "that's not NIL in spirit," but that argument isn't material to the fact the players get 25k in an NIL deal when they join the team. Even if you want to say it's a signing bonus, they don't call it that, and there's no framework or appetite to challenge either it or South Carolina's NIL program at the moment.

So no matter what anyone wants to call it, South Carolina's players get 25k in NIL payments a year minimum. Call it whatever - it happens. There is a mechanism in place to compensate their women's basketball players from day 1.

And what gets me about this situation is that you get people who gripe about Harper and her recruiting, lay the blame entirely at her feet, but really, how much more do they need to see to understand that Tennessee has one hand, and possibly both hands, tied behind its back? Is UT throwing 20-30k at people just for walking through the door? No? They're not? Hmm, and South Carolina is? Wow. Gosh. I wonder how that impacts recruiting top players who can command the highest dollar values in NIL deals. I'm not saying she's without responsibility, or even saying Tennessee should just roll out barrels of money at a whim, but I am saying UT's not on equal footing with other schools at present and that impacts recruiting.

Duh…
Fahr Kelly!

 

[UT Challenger]

That's a semantic argument. From what I've read, it is part of a NIL deal every player at South Carolina gets offered when they come to Columbia. Someone could say "that's not NIL in spirit," but that argument isn't material to the fact the players get 25k in an NIL deal when they join the team. Even if you want to say it's a signing bonus, they don't call it that, and there's no framework or appetite to challenge either it or South Carolina's NIL program at the moment.

So no matter what anyone wants to call it, South Carolina's players get 25k in NIL payments a year minimum. Call it whatever - it happens. There is a mechanism in place to compensate their women's basketball players from day 1.

And what gets me about this situation is that you get people who gripe about Harper and her recruiting, lay the blame entirely at her feet, but really, how much more do they need to see to understand that Tennessee has one hand, and possibly both hands, tied behind its back? Is UT throwing 20-30k at people just for walking through the door? No? They're not? Hmm, and South Carolina is? Wow. Gosh. I wonder how that impacts recruiting top players who can command the highest dollar values in NIL deals. I'm not saying she's without responsibility, or even saying Tennessee should just roll out barrels of money at a whim, but I am saying UT's not on equal footing with other schools at present and that impacts recruiting.

Wondering how much LSU is paying out. I do believe UT is missing out on elite players because of NIL deals from other schools.

 

[chuckiepoo]

Matt Rhule Discusses QB Valuation In The Transfer Portal

Nebraska's Matt Rhule navigates the transfer portal, strategizing to rebuild the Cornhuskers in a shifting college landscape.

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The sign on bonus is considered part of the total NIL package. But doesn't relate to the players name, image, or likeness being used or sold. It's just extra.

Probably considered a retainer for future services rendered. That would be $6,250 per year. Chump change. I really don’t get why we have failed so badly on this front. I’m ready to sharpen pitchforks, oil the lamps, and head toward the AD office.

 

[glv98]

Wondering how much LSU is paying out. I do believe UT is missing out on elite players because of NIL deals from other schools.

South Carolina fans circulated rumors about what LSU offered Joyce Edwards recently. Can't remember the amount of the initial pay out, but among the perks were a three bedroom luxury apt, free travel for her family to all games, and the topper, a guarantee of no in person class requirments after the first year. LSU said it was all overblown, but they are rumored to have donors with deep, willing pockets. Winning national championships will do that for you.

 

[glv98]

Probably considered a retainer for future services rendered. That would be $6,250 per year. Chump change. I really don’t get why we have failed so badly on this front. I’m ready to sharpen pitchforks, oil the lamps, and head toward the AD office.

I'm confused. How is 1.5 mil $6250 per yr? Pretty sure these fellas want full payment up front.

 

[Coach Jumper]

Yeah. I feel insulted too.
Ageist twerp, ain’t he…

absolutely
I am 63 and can still knock a stuck basketball from between the rim and backboard
getting up there is still possible
Landing, however, is somewhat more trepidicious

 

[chuckiepoo]

absolutely
I am 63 and can still knock a stuck basketball from between the rim and backboard
getting up there is still possible
Landing, however, is somewhat more trepidicious

Do not jump…even if you can..

 

[Volfan1000]

I’d start by not promoting from the bench. After that open it up…you’re not getting Dawn, Mulkey, Geno, Tara. You need a purse between 1.25-1.75M, possibly 2M on the right coach (lure Muffet out of retirement). You don’t take an assistant, but you go all in on whatever it takes to get a recruiter that can match Jolette Law. A coach like Hammon isn’t coming to deal with NIL, portal and high school recruiting.

Whenever White looks to replace Harper, I would look at a Connecticut or a Stanford assistant coach as a possibility.

 

[glv98]

Whenever White looks to replace Harper, I would look at a Connecticut or a Stanford assistant coach as a possibility.

LOL now that would go over well. Maybe Chris Daley?

More on upfront cash payments and NIL pkgs in the transfer portal

Prepare For Another Round Of 'Free Agency:' Transfer Portal Opens Sunday And Donors Are Ready To Spend

Here we go again, the transfer portal is days away from opening and the NIL collectives are preparing for a number of bidding wars.

www.outkick.com

“I’ve got the university reaching out to me for help with facilities, while at the same time the NIL group is looking for cash because of NIL,” one Power-5 donor told OutKick. “I’m being pulled in different directions, where as in the past I would just donate to the athletic department. But we’re in a different world now. We need the players to compete, so I’ve changed how I support the football program.

“I want to see my team winning on Saturday, so if that means donating to the collective to get a star player, that’s how I choose to help the program now.”

Forget donating for a new library. New quarterback needs a new Ferrari. I hate that the upfront lump sum payment, which IMO is a very questionable thing, keeps getting lumped in w true NIL, which IMO is a good thing. Probably bc collectives do both things.

 

[Majors]

LOL now that would go over well. Maybe Chris Daley?

More on upfront cash payments and NIL pkgs in the transfer portal"

Prepare For Another Round Of 'Free Agency:' Transfer Portal Opens Sunday And Donors Are Ready To Spend

Here we go again, the transfer portal is days away from opening and the NIL collectives are preparing for a number of bidding wars.

www.outkick.com

We would have fans believe Geno sent her to sabotage the program. No, we are good where we are at with our own setting us back.

 

[the_great_pumpkin]

Yeah y’all don’t have anything to worry about. Dawn has made you into the new Tennessee. There’s no reason for her to leave for UT.

Even if she ever came to UT, she would probably be in coast mode until retirement. Yes I have BVS !

 

[Go aeiou]

absolutely
I am 63 and can still knock a stuck basketball from between the rim and backboard
getting up there is still possible
Landing, however, is somewhat more trepidicious

Ha, hence your name.
Give it 5 years. Hopefully you'll be in <5% who can do that.
It's your head they are so concerned with. Falling down gets easier.
I fell during an egg toss. stepped backwards into a slight hole and..... hernia. Good news is hernia surgery is piece of cake these days.

 

[Coach Jumper]

Ha, hence your name.
Give it 5 years. Hopefully you'll be in <5% who can do that.
It's your head they are so concerned with. Falling down gets easier.
I fell during an egg toss. stepped backwards into a slight hole and..... hernia. Good news is hernia surgery is piece of cake these days.

actually my name is from the way I teach jump-shots
My method is to time the jump-shot, either from reception to release or from dribble to release
I want my player to be able to shoot from "reception/dribble pickup to release of the shot" in .75 seconds (3/4 of a second)

 

[Nute Gunray]

for my choice for rebuilding our program i would steer clear of Moore (66) or Schaefer (62)

What about Poppie?

 

[Nute Gunray]

Whenever White looks to replace Harper, I would look at a Connecticut or a Stanford assistant coach as a possibility.

Shawn Poppie

 

[Golfteacher]

Even saying the roster is flawed, but with Rickea u always have a chance, one special player having legendary performances in the tournament can take u a long way.

We keep talking about the roster being flawed and maybe it is, however, have we considered that the coaching is so flawed that it cannot get the best out of its players? The defense is sloppy, the team has problems blocking out, they are a turnover waiting to happen, they have trouble setting picks, KJH has a difficult time calling timeouts, she can’t make in game changes, etc. players like Spears & Wells come here and their game goes South. Holingshead was a 5 Star McD AA, has she remotely looked the part? I was a big supporter of KJH but I believe it is time to move on.

 

[Coach Jumper]

We keep talking about the roster being flawed and maybe it is, however, have we considered that the coaching is so flawed that it cannot get the best out of its players? The defense is sloppy, the team has problems blocking out, they are a turnover waiting to happen, they have trouble setting picks, KJH has a difficult time calling timeouts, she can’t make in game changes, etc. players like Spears & Wells come here and their game goes South. Holingshead was a 5 Star McD AA, has she remotely looked the part? I was a big supporter of KJH but I believe it is time to move on.

Kellie has lost almost all of her VolNation supporters
The team grew, but she is still coaching Missouri St. mode
sigh

 

[madtownvol]

Kellie has lost almost all of her VolNation supporters
The team grew, but she is still coaching Missouri St. mode
sigh

Yeah, it is over. Without the support of these 10 or so anonymous posters, how can this go on? Even winning the National championship this season, can't say have her now. Turn out the lights, the party is over....

 

[glv98]

have we considered that the coaching is so flawed that it cannot get the best out of its players?

Hmm let me think. Yes I do think that has been considered a time or two around here lately.

 

[madtownvol]

Hmm let me think. Yes I do think that has been considered a time or two around here lately.

Really? You mean this site is not a 24/7 lovefest for Kellie Harper? Wow, learn something knew everyday.

 

[Terrells Bay88]

Any Courtney Banghart fans over here that still want her? Some of the North Carolina fanbase has soured on her.

 

[brittannica]

Any Courtney Banghart fans over here that still want her? Some of the North Carolina fanbase has soured on her.

As a lifelong UNC fan, I’ve been very disappointed in recent years. My expectations are pretty low though, so it’s not like Kellie Harper-levels of disappointment more like Lady Vols soccer-level of disappointment.

 

[LadyVol1908]

Shawn Poppie maybe?