Kellie Harper discussion/debate thread [merged]

[chuck0303]

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Becky Hammon.

Although she has won two WNBA championships, her salary there is only $1 million.

You know, that's a great suggestion. Pay her enough and she would probably do it. I think it would have to be a lot since she's had such success with the Aces. To step down from the WNBA to college basketball, but money talks. If she can't build a program I don't know who can.

 

[Coach Jumper]

I’m not attacking the players, both are to blame. The coach is more responsible since she put this roster together. But players need to hold themselves accountable as well.

Have you ever coached?
I have, so I understand both players and coaches.
If a coach has a flawed, or NO, game-plan,, and the players realize it,,,they will do what they can until frustration sets in,,,then they shutdown out of exasperation

Seen it a million times
If it were the players, then it would be a rout from the gitgo
They fought, until they had no fight left

I am going to rewatch that debacle and count how many times MTSU ran the same scoring play...and boy do I dread the task

 

[Coach Jumper]

Bad recipe or not so good cook.

I can't rightly defend her on this
They ran the same offensive play over and over
even the announcers saw it and said that they need to bring the post out further,,,or we could have gone 3-2, 2-3, 2-1-2,,,,anything...BUT try something different!
with NO counter, no timeout to discuss it,,nothing

I don't blame the players
I never do unless the coach tries everything in their arsenal
then I do,,,but nope,

The cook stirring the macaroni while the turkey was burning
and the assistant cooks,,,watched

Kellie need someone with the cochungas to stand up to her and tell her,,,both in game and in practice what she doesn't want to hear...every coach needs such a person on their team.
good cop bad cop
Sometimes you have to have a Sgt Vic Mackey along with your Andy Griffiths

 

[brittannica]

You know, that's a great suggestion. Pay her enough and she would probably do it. I think it would have to be a lot since she's had such success with the Aces. To step down from the WNBA to college basketball, but money talks. If she can't build a program I don't know who can.

It would have to be a lot, but it’s pennies compared to many men’s sports. Theoretically you could turn the Lady Vols into a revenue generating sport with enough success. I think you swing for the fences and force a coach of her caliber to say no rather than settle for another unproven coach. With each additional year of middling results, the Lady Vol brand risks becoming tarnished and irrelevant.

 

[BreatheUT]

I'd really like to know who Danny White has in his rolodex.

Sorry but the 90's left 24 years ago.

 

[StorrsCentral]

Uconn's next game is against Louisville. Could go either way?

North Carolina first

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Have you ever coached?
I have, so I understand both players and coaches.
If a coach has a flawed, or NO, game-plan,, and the players realize it,,,they will do what they can until frustration sets in,,,then they shutdown out of exasperation

Seen it a million times
If it were the players, then it would be a rout from the gitgo
They fought, until they had no fight left

I am going to rewatch that debacle and count how many times MTSU ran the same scoring play...and boy do I dread the task

I’ve never coached but I’ve played, and yes some coaches can be clueless but I’m saying as a player we never blamed a coach for a loss. I’ve been on teams where the coaches told us everything to do and put us in a position to succeed but some players just didn’t get it done. I don’t know what this staff is coaching or telling the players, I just listen to the press conferences and hear them saying what they worked on in practice and the game plan, and that doesnt get executed in the game, so I don’t know who to blame for that.

 

[tnvolfan16]

A little sexist are we?

not in the least. i just have seen how that department operates over there

 

[Coach Jumper]

I’ve never coached but I’ve played, and yes some coaches can be clueless but I’m saying as a player we never blamed a coach for a loss. I’ve been on teams where the coaches told us everything to do and put us in a position to succeed but some players just didn’t get it done. I don’t know what this staff is coaching or telling the players, I just listen to the press conferences and hear them saying what they worked on in practice and the game plan, and that doesnt get executed in the game, so I don’t know who to blame for that.

there is an age old saying
Players win/lose blowouts, coaches win/lose close games
This was a two point game with 5 min to go
you do the math
at 5:58 to go it was a tie game 58-58
at 0:24 it was 62-73

see your underlined above,,,even the announcers were stunned that the same play was used over and over
high screen for a shooter,,,def goes under the screen, shoot the 3,,,def goes over the screen, shoot the curl
over and over and over and over ~

we could have brought a defender off of the weakside,,extended the post-defender, played an extended zone, overloaded the strongside,, set traps once the ball passed the midcourt,,,full court press,,,etc

what they worked on in practice worked for 34 minutes

 

[th2421]

Spear is the only one besides Rickea and that’s the problem.

I both agree and disagree. Sure, there are top 10 programs who are loaded with top players/recruits, like South Carolina, UConn, UCLA, even NC State. But then there are others who are excelling with one superstar (or not even one) but with a well-coached system where players can shine.

Look at #4 Iowa's starters and their HoopGurlz rankings: Clark #4, Stuelke #45, Martin unranked (3 stars), Marshall unranked (3 stars), Davis not listed.

Or #6 USC: Watkins #1, Marshall #27, Forbes #35, Davis unranked (3 stars), Padilla not listed.

Or #8 Colorado: Formann N/A (international), Vonleh #100, Sherrod unranked (3 stars), Sadler unranked (3 stars), Miller not listed.

Or #11 Utah: Pili #41, Johnson #42, McQueen #58, Kneepkens not listed, Palmer/Vieira both N/A (international).

Compare that to our starting lineup (with or without Rickea): Jackson #5, Hollingshead #37, Puckett #43, Powell #76, Spear #82 (Wells #81 or T. Darby unranked, 3 stars or if Key was healthy and starting, she was #47). Sure, we're not South Carolina, whose every starter was ranked #17 or better by Hoopgurlz, but I think we have really good players who could fit in just fine among many other top teams.

 

[Deebowbear]

Danny needs to go get Chris Dailey or Lisa Boyer. Anything is an improvement at this point.

No a proven coach

 

[DarkPhoenix]

I both agree and disagree. Sure, there are top 10 programs who are loaded with top players/recruits, like South Carolina, UConn, UCLA, even NC State. But then there are others who are excelling with one superstar (or not even one) but with a well-coached system where players can shine.

Look at #4 Iowa's starters and their HoopGurlz rankings: Clark #4, Stuelke #45, Martin unranked (3 stars), Marshall unranked (3 stars), Davis not listed.

Or #6 USC: Watkins #1, Marshall #27, Forbes #35, Davis unranked (3 stars), Padilla not listed.

Or #8 Colorado: Formann N/A (international), Vonleh #100, Sherrod unranked (3 stars), Sadler unranked (3 stars), Miller not listed.

Or #11 Utah: Pili #41, Johnson #42, McQueen #58, Kneepkens not listed, Palmer/Vieira both N/A (international).

Compare that to our starting lineup (with or without Rickea): Jackson #5, Hollingshead #37, Puckett #43, Powell #76, Spear #82 (Wells #81 or T. Darby unranked, 3 stars or if Key was healthy and starting, she was #47). Sure, we're not South Carolina, whose every starter was ranked #17 or better by Hoopgurlz, but I think we have really good players who could fit in just fine among many other top teams.

Rankings don’t translate into college production, I rather see the ranking once they are playing in college, most players are overrated, and not all 5 star recruits are equal, just look at Pissot and Juju Watkins, both 5 stars, do u think they are in the same class? All those teams listed have better overall talent if u take the best player off the roster than us with Rickea out. If u can say swap out 4 role players from our team and let me pick 4 role players from any of the teams mentioned we would be undefeated right now.

 

[StorrsCentral]

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Becky Hammon.

Although she has won two WNBA championships, her salary there is only $1 million.

She is a great coach, but if she left the WNBA it would be for the NBA.

 

[Orange_Mamba]

Only play we have is the horn set. We don’t have any double action or any back door plays. You can always play the passing lanes when your playing us. Because chances are you will get the steal or be able to recover.

 

[th2421]

Please, no.

Just another former Lady Vol we would have to fire. She hasn’t done anything of note at Duke. If they miss the NCAA tourney this year she’ll be out there as well. She hasn’t recruited overly well and lost some good players to transfer.

Her teams will at least play defense, but struggle to score the ball against any quality opponent.

I absolutely don't think Kara would be the right hire for us at the moment, but I think she still has plenty of time to prove herself. I agree that she seems to be a terrific defensive coach and a not very good offensive coach, yet anyway. I don't think it's fair to say she hasn't recruited well, as this year she brought in #3 Jadyn Donovan, #27 Oluchi Okanawa, and #29 Delaney Thomas, who have all looked very good IMO (along with the #62 recruit, giving Duke the #6 recruiting class per ESPN), and next year they have the #9, #19, and #83 players committed (currently the #5 class). You're right that she's lost some key players to the transfer portal so it will be interesting to see if she can retain players and build on these recruiting successes.

 

[Coach Jumper]

@DarkPhoenix ,,,do you have an agenda against a player(s), or your kin to someone on the staff?

 

[Decker Moss]

Not taking sides, but if you go back and look at posts from 2018 and 2019, they sound almost identical to the discussions going on now.

 

[Deebowbear]

I think Kellie finishes the year. Then cleans house for one more run..All three (jon) especially assistants need to go.

Then I will not have any faith in DW if he let’s her stay any longer than end of season

 

[AllVols3]

Only play we have is the horn set. We don’t have any double action or any back door plays. You can always play the passing lanes when your playing us. Because chances are you will get the steal or be able to recover.

Especially when Tess has the ball.

 

[Majors]

Only play we have is the horn set. We don’t have any double action or any back door plays. You can always play the passing lanes when your playing us. Because chances are you will get the steal or be able to recover.

MTSU ran a patient set play out of the halftime break.

 

[BIG SEXY]

Chris Dailey has zero head coaching experience and has been an assistant at UConn since 1985. If he wanted to be a head coach, it would have happened already.

Lisa Boyer's head coaching record is 124-149.

Chris was born female at birth.

 

[Voltopia]

Kara Lawson immediate phone call

Kara's adversarial stance with Tennessee's program would be a real challenge to overcome there, I think.

 

[Dadof2Vols]

At this rate, if she makes it to the end of this season, then the message is loud and clear: UT no longer gives a rip about its women’s basketball program.

Losses like this are unacceptable. What makes it worse is that I’m not all that shocked by the result. Just shows how bad of a place the program is in when a loss to MTSU isn’t all that surprising.

Without Jackson, there isn’t a game on the schedule this team can’t lose. What an indictment on CKH that being absent of one player makes the difference between winning and losing to a Conference USA team that was coming off a double digit loss to Belmont.

For the sake of the program, I hope even the blindest of Lady Vol fans who refused to see last season that CKH needed to be fired now see that change is desperately needed.

You don’t see them on here defending her today like they did last year do you.

I am not a CKH hater and not looking at W-Ls but the basic skill sets and competences are not be shown on the floor and that is a reflection of coaches.

 

[JohnWardForever]

No this staff can’t. Last night showed without RJ we have a mid-major roster, even when a player has a night like Striplin. We have a roster of backup players and role players playing P5 basketball. Backups can keep a game close for awhile, eventually starters pull away.

Not sure it’s laziness but more tapped out athletic ability.

There are a couple Girls on the team slower than smoke. Hate it for them, but you must deal in Reality. They have no quicks, get ran by on drives and rebounds. This staff has to GO. 5 years and nothing? OUT of the top 25, and fixing to have a losing season!

 

[JohnWardForever]

Sad situation all around. You hate it for CKH because she's a program legend and a nice person. Hate to see anyone fail, but this is a business, not a community league. Time to raise some $ and start having those private conversations with potential replacements. Folks, this ain't getting any better...

Exactly. The word here is Malaise. And KH doesn't KNOW how to fix it. Evidently, She was never that good.