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Kellie Harper to Missouri

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To be honest, I never really even observed the HC and the previous staff much to say who did what, who was responsible for certain aspects of coaching, the program, player development etc. Over time though things started to seem off. I do think in any workplace when you put couples, close relatives together it typically has its pros and cons. And it also really is a matter of does the reward outweigh the risk not just for the organization but for the entire family. In high level sports, it’s a bit shaky. Running a company, business, government job you probably have a better chance at being successful working with your family if you both have experience and a background in the same field.

GulfcoastVFL said:
I have always thought he should be sitting in the stands supporting her. I feel that he was the down side of the coaching staff. IMO I don’t believe he would be in the coaching ranks if he wasn’t married to Kellie. I wish her the best
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DeerPark12 said:
If he wasn’t married to her, he would be a head coach somewhere. He chose to follow her career, but I think Jon is unfairly criticized and undervalued by a lot of people here who don’t really have any idea about what it’s like to coach basketball.
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Interesting how Jon became such a whipping boy. It was a real Catch 22 of detractors- manly men who couldn’t stand the idea of wife being boss over hubby and also women who felt his mere presence undermined and overwhelmed her. Wasn’t going to win.

Surprising in this ‘pro family’ state that he never got credit for sacrificing his own career to keep their young family together.

I’m curious if the hubby wife duos at ALA and Vandy and the several others around the country get this blowback.
 
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Correct, I didn’t say they played every year. The point is what other coach at Tennessee since the legend Coach Summitt has beaten that school when they faced the Lady Vols? Answer: CKC


Voltopia said:
They did not play between 2008-2019. Counting this season's win, UConn and Tennessee have only played five times since Pat Summitt retired, all since 2020.
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glv98 said:
I guess it depends on how many 15-25 point losses you're willing to absob while topping out mid conference in a good year. Plus the frustration of watching your team being constantly outmanned no matter how hard you and they work. For me that would be the inner ring of coaching hell.

But I realize thats exactly what KJH has chosen to walk into so I have to stop being more upset about her meh fate than she is.

As far as money, both Harpers have made 6 or 7 figures plus for over 20 yrs. If she's making decisions based on money now something is really wrong w their investment portfolio
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Obviously, I don't know Kelly Harper but I get the impression that she really loves having a positive impact on her players lives (just like her role model PHS). So, I don't think taking some losses is really a detriment in the grand scheme. I think she may, in fact, thrive on being the underdog coach who can upset the big dogs now and again. She is a great coach for a program that needs to over achieve and she might again have success in the portal to periodically narrow the talent gap. Under Kelly, I think Mizzou who has a dangerous team every three or four years (when a senior group jells).
 
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KnoxLikeUs said:
Correct, I didn’t say they played every year. The point is what other coach at Tennessee since the legend Coach Summitt has beaten that school when they faced the Lady Vols? Answer: CKC
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No, the point was to make yet another Kellie Harper / Kim Caldwell comparison, without saying you're making a Kellie Harper / Kim Caldwell comparison. You could have just said "Harper couldn't beat UConn, but Caldwell did," but that didn't sound as good as saying "gosh no other Tennessee coach beat UConn since Pat." Warlick never coached against UConn, so you're just comparing the two other coaches. Again. For the thousandth time. But hey, give it a little rhetorical spice, so it sounds bigger and more impactful.
 
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KnoxLikeUs said:
When was the last time Tennessee beat UConn since the legend Coach Pat Summitt?
Coach Caldwell first game facing Coach Geno and the UConn Huskies.
Last season UT was a #6 seed in the NCAA tourney. This season they are a #5 seed.
The rest of that stuff is irrelevant.
GBO ‘solid’!
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I am a CKC supporter but I don't think the move from a 6 to a 5 seed is quite the flex you think it is....
 
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madtownvol said:
I am a CKC supporter but I don't think the move from a 6 to a 5 seed is quite the flex you think it is....
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Great perspective. You’re entitled to your opinion.
When I talk about HS recruiting with the talented incoming class it’s always a deflection by a few to discredit that in some type of petty way. When I talk about a 1st year coach who many predicted would miss the tourney improving the seeding in a year and not missing the tourney today I’m told it’s not a flex.
Talk about in year 1 CKC beating Iowa, Florida State, UConn, and Ole Miss something that didn’t happen last season all tourney teams again more deflection.
I’m not saying that’s what you do.
Just again the few outliers and the few likes are always deflectors whenever it’s something 1.) true 2.) really good
It’s respected when it’s a backhand compliment by a few outliers though and again all those facts about winning and success are going to get deflected with another post about sunshine “pumpers” bringing facts to the discussion.
Love it here.
I’ll put a “lol” at the end for a few likes😂.
Lets Dance it’s tourney time Vols.
GBO ‘solid’!
 
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Might I add, how it’s contradicting that the same people will make an argument about SEC seeding but ignore the fact that Tennessee is ranked higher than Vanderbilt in the NCAA tourney and equally seeded as Alabama and Ole Miss as a #5 seed.
How is that not a flex?

Majors said:
So now we discredit being a higher seed. Seems like a nice ROI in year 1. A small jump to validate the decision to move on.
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While being predicted early in the season at jeopardy of missing the tourney but yet earning a better seed than a year ago compared to the Tennessee team that started the year ranked #11 in the country. This team started the season unranked and spent much of the season and the final poll in the Top 20.
Again, if SEC seeding is a big deal and relevant to the discussions on this forum then how is the NCAA tourney seeding “meaningless”… textbook cherry picking.
 
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KnoxLikeUs said:
Great perspective. You’re entitled to your opinion.
When I talk about HS recruiting with the talented incoming class it’s always a deflection by a few to discredit that in some type of petty way. When I talk about a 1st year coach who many predicted would miss the tourney improving the seeding in a year and not missing the tourney today I’m told it’s not a flex.
Talk about in year 1 CKC beating Iowa, Florida State, UConn, and Ole Miss something that didn’t happen last season all tourney teams again more deflection.
I’m not saying that’s what you do.
Just again the few outliers and the few likes are always deflectors whenever it’s something 1.) true 2.) really good
It’s respected when it’s a backhand compliment by a few outliers though and again all those facts about winning and success are going to get deflected with another post about sunshine “pumpers” bringing facts to the discussion.
Love it here.
I’ll put a “lol” at the end for a few likes😂.
Lets Dance it’s tourney time Vols.
GBO ‘solid’!
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Hey KnoxLikeUs, I agree with most of you say here though I have quibble with the idea that "you are not saying" when you have a litany of posts saying stuff but...

The vast majority of posters on this board are quite thrilled with CKC's recruiting success, which includes a very strong portal class at the very, very beginning. When people mention that a better NIL situation was an asset for her, though you take that as disparagement, which it is not.

Yeah, a few hit the panic button during the losing streak but I never had any worries that type and I don't think there was a wide spread concern. It was just noise from a few disgruntled followers.

The string of victories you list is fantastic . The big problem Kellie had during her run was racking up wins against higher ranked opponents.
 
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madtownvol said:
Hey KnoxLikeUs, I agree with most of you say here though I have quibble with the idea that "you are not saying" when you have a litany of posts saying stuff but...

The vast majority of posters on this board are quite thrilled with CKC's recruiting success, which includes a very strong portal class at the very, very beginning. When people mention that a better NIL situation was an asset for her, though you take that as disparagement, which it is not.

Yeah, a few hit the panic button during the losing streak but I never had any worries that type and I don't think there was a wide spread concern. It was just noise from a few disgruntled followers.

The string of victories you list is fantastic . The big problem Kellie had during her run was racking up wins against higher ranked opponents.
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Okay, @Majors, I know you’ve got the record against ranked opponents! Whadda we got so far for Kim? 😉
 
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madtownvol said:
Obviously, I don't know Kelly Harper but I get the impression that she really loves having a positive impact on her players lives (just like her role model PHS). So, I don't think taking some losses is really a detriment in the grand scheme. I think she may, in fact, thrive on being the underdog coach who can upset the big dogs now and again. She is a great coach for a program that needs to over achieve and she might again have success in the portal to periodically narrow the talent gap. Under Kelly, I think Mizzou who has a dangerous team every three or four years (when a senior group jells).
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Precisely. I don’t think Kellie is a coach for a program looking to win yearly. But she is a coach for a program looking to be in the post season yearly and make runs at sweet sixteens every other year with elite 8 potential every 7 years. Missouri is a perfect fit imo. It’s not shade, I think she’s solid at developing women in general and she has recruiting roots in the area. I think it’s a strong hire.

S/N if Arkansas poaches Dawn Thornton… the SEC is going to be ridiculous because THAT LADY can flat out coach.
 
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dapeak said:
Precisely. I don’t think Kellie is a coach for a program looking to win yearly. But she is a coach for a program looking to be in the post season yearly and make runs at sweet sixteens every other year with elite 8 potential every 7 years. Missouri is a perfect fit imo. It’s not shade, I think she’s solid at developing women in general and she has recruiting roots in the area. I think it’s a strong hire.

S/N if Arkansas poaches Dawn Thornton… the SEC is going to be ridiculous because THAT LADY can flat out coach.
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dapeak said:
Precisely. I don’t think Kellie is a coach for a program looking to win yearly. But she is a coach for a program looking to be in the post season yearly and make runs at sweet sixteens every other year with elite 8 potential every 7 years. Missouri is a perfect fit imo. It’s not shade, I think she’s solid at developing women in general and she has recruiting roots in the area. I think it’s a strong hire.

S/N if Arkansas poaches Dawn Thornton… the SEC is going to be ridiculous because THAT LADY can flat out coach.
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A 7 year project? Won’t she give a press conference saying she’s there to win now? She won’t win over fans with those expectations laid out. But glad the board is saying her coaching inabilities out loud now in their own spin now that she’s on someone else’s dime.
 
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