Kevin Sumlin went into Mississippi State in his 1st year

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UTProf said:
So schedule doesn't matter? Well then, we need to drop our front loaded one and start with a guaranteed 6 wins so that we're always bowl eligible and in better health before we start SEC competition.
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No we need to drop our losing coach. The SEC will always be the SEC no matter how you spread the schedule out.

Stop making excuses they are for losers and failing students.
 
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GiveHimSixGoVols said:
No we need to drop our losing coach. The SEC will always be the SEC no matter how you spread the schedule out.

Stop making excuses they are for losers and failing students.
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You're determined to bash Dooley and I don't care if you do or not but it's not what I've been talking about. What I've been saying, since the thread started out singing Miss. St.'s praises, is that Miss St. has had it easy and is overrated.
 
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Dooley is gone. No need for further argument amongst ourselves. Anyone who believes otherwise didn't see the empty seats on homecoming nor the defensive performance this weekend. Next year the home schedule will be a hard sell if change isn't made. The financial ramifications are far more significant than the buyout for the whole staff
 
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gasguy98 said:
Am I crazy, I thought Sumlin was TX AM's coach.
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It really took 24 posts for someone to notice this?

Mullin coaches MSU. He's 7-2 in his 4th year with games vs LSU, Ole Miss, and Ark still left.

BTW, Sumlin would have probably been a sacrificial lamb too. UT's program and roster were wrecked when Dooley arrived. LWSVol (Larry) says that numerous better candidates told UT "no" in various ways. I think he said "nine" at least.

SOMEONE had to do what Dooley has done. The chances of coming out of those 3 years in good shape were going to be low regardless of who said yes.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Dooley is gone. No need for further argument amongst ourselves. Anyone who believes otherwise didn't see the empty seats on homecoming nor the defensive performance this weekend. Next year the home schedule will be a hard sell if change isn't made. The financial ramifications are far more significant than the buyout for the whole staff
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He should be gone. But there is a chance that he will be kept while the D staff is changed. You could make a case that it has only been the defensive staff changes that have not worked out.

I do not think that way. I think there's too much scar tissue over the past 3 years for DD to become successful. But if money is the issue and UT's offense is not.... then buyout the D staff or at least Sunseri... and move on.
 
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Some of yall just don't get it. Big difference between taking over a complete rebuild and a built team. Sumlin hasn't had to rebuild a team. He took over a rebuilt Houston team with and inherited a great QB. He hit the jackpot with a scrappy kid that was successful in TX Hill Country 4A football. Can't get scrappier than that. Not saying Manziel isn't a good athlete but reminds some of Shaw. He's going to get taught a listen eventually and he's going to learn that his body size isn't right for running around like he does versus top SEC defenses. Then we'll see how good things are down in aggie land.

Sometimes some of yall on here act like kids wanting the shiny new toy thinking its going to be better.
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Oskie Volum said:
Some of yall just don't get it. Big difference between taking over a complete rebuild and a built team. Sumlin hasn't had to rebuild a team. He took over a rebuilt Houston team with and inherited a great QB. He hit the jackpot with a scrappy kid that was successful in TX Hill Country 4A football. Can't get scrappier than that. Not saying Manziel isn't a good athlete but reminds some of Shaw. He's going to get taught a listen eventually and he's going to learn that his body size isn't right for running around like he does versus top SEC defenses. Then we'll see how good things are down in aggie land.

Sometimes some of yall on here act like kids wanting the shiny new toy thinking its going to be better.
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They were 7-6 in the Big12 and lost a first round qb and a bunch of other players.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
Some of yall just don't get it. Big difference between taking over a complete rebuild and a built team. Sumlin hasn't had to rebuild a team. He took over a rebuilt Houston team with and inherited a great QB. He hit the jackpot with a scrappy kid that was successful in TX Hill Country 4A football. Can't get scrappier than that. Not saying Manziel isn't a good athlete but reminds some of Shaw. He's going to get taught a listen eventually and he's going to learn that his body size isn't right for running around like he does versus top SEC defenses. Then we'll see how good things are down in aggie land.

Sometimes some of yall on here act like kids wanting the shiny new toy thinking its going to be better.
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Stop the excuses, my gawd it is beyond PATHETIC.

Sumlin did in his first year what Dooley couldn't in his first 3 years combined, it is that simple.
 
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GiveHimSixGoVols said:
Stop the excuses, my gawd it is beyond PATHETIC.

Sumlin did in his first year what Dooley couldn't in his first 3 years combined, it is that simple.
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Not excuses and not the same circumstances. If you can't understand that that's not my problem. Simple.
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k-town_king said:
They were 7-6 in the Big12 and lost a first round qb and a bunch of other players.
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Did you not get the part I said he lucked out with getting Manziel?? He didn't lose enough players and the cupboards weren't anywhere near as bare as CDD wlked into. Also CDD can't just go in his backyard and have the talent the aggies have access to. The have Houston and N TX, and Central TX they can easily reload from. All 3 have huge talent. The closest CDD has to any of those is ATL. Cause he doesn't have it anywhere in the state of TN.
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sjt18 said:
He should be gone. But there is a chance that he will be kept while the D staff is changed. You could make a case that it has only been the defensive staff changes that have not worked out.

I do not think that way. I think there's too much scar tissue over the past 3 years for DD to become successful. But if money is the issue and UT's offense is not.... then buyout the D staff or at least Sunseri... and move on.
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There is no way dooley is back. It's partially the losses but hart has zero choice at this point. A lot of people depend on that stadium to be full on saturdays and that isnt happening with dooley back. A lot of those people have great influence within the ad. Hart would be laying his job on the line to even consider bringing back dooley at this point.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
Did you not get the part I said he lucked out with getting Manziel?? He didn't lose enough players and the cupboards weren't anywhere near as bare as CDD wlked into. Also CDD can't just go in his backyard and have the talent the aggies have access to. The have Houston and N TX, and Central TX they can easily reload from. All 3 have huge talent. The closest CDD has to any of those is ATL. Cause he doesn't have it anywhere in the state of TN.
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Dude you are .............reaching for straws.....reaching for straws.........or should I say excuses.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
Did you not get the part I said he lucked out with getting Manziel?? He didn't lose enough players and the cupboards weren't anywhere near as bare as CDD wlked into. Also CDD can't just go in his backyard and have the talent the aggies have access to. The have Houston and N TX, and Central TX they can easily reload from. All 3 have huge talent. The closest CDD has to any of those is ATL. Cause he doesn't have it anywhere in the state of TN.
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I totally agree with you. A huge difference in our rosters but hey these people WILL NOT consider such facts.
 
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