Kicker Head Issues

#76
#76
VolArmy74 said:
34 kickers in NCAA football are perfect from 50+. Only 20 have missed all their 50+ attempts. Vandy's kicker is 5/6 from 50+. Kentucky's kicker Raynor hasn't missed a FG this season, with multiple 50-yarders made. Bond from A&M is perfect on multiple 50 yard attempts. Arkansas has two kickers and both have made all their 50+ yard attempts. Oklahoma is perfect from 50+. Gilbert is one of 4 SEC kickers who haven't made a 50 yard fg this year (the others have 1 or 0 attempts) and Gilbert has the shortest long FG of any kicker in the SEC this season. It's a major weakness and making 50+ isn't as huge a barrier as people make it out to be. NFL kickers are making 65+ yarders these days.
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I 100% agree ....

..... and the apologists can say whatever they want to, but an SEC place kicker can't go 0-3 with missed attempts of 43, 40 and 34 yards. That will get you beat, if you are facing an opponent of equal talent or better. Fortunately, Kentucky isn't any good this year.

Now, having said that, at what point does it become the head coach's fault for not adjusting to how his kicker is performing? Mike Ditka once said, "The first two kicks a guy misses are on him .... the 3rd one he misses is on me."
 
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#77
#77
I do t think I have ever seen a kicker miss 3 straight in a game. Not three. Has it ever happened at TN before?
 
#78
#78
DaddyChad said:
Come on Willis an 18 yo kid is never supposed to have an off night. All these people raising hell have never made a mistake in their lives.
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Amongst all my more frequent senior moments, I end up with a few minutes of clarity where I walk down memory lane and that 18-20 year old lane is just full damn pot holds. Some pot holds I stumbled into all own and some with help. That little walk helps me be a bit more forgiving.
 
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#79
#79
BowlBrother85 said:
On 2nd thought .... You're right. That shanked 34 yard field goal attempt was a stroke of brilliance. What was I thinking?
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That was on the snapper. The hold ended up so far inside that Gilbert had to try and swing around the ball and this pulled it.
 
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#80
#80
NEO said:
I do t think I have ever seen a kicker miss 3 straight in a game. Not three. Has it ever happened at TN before?
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We've had some bad kickers ...

Phil Reich missed 3 field goal attempts in the Peach Bowl vs Indiana in 1987.
Joey Chapman missed 3 field goal attempts vs Duke in 1988.
Jeff Hall was a great clutch kicker, but inconsistent overall .... He went 1-4 vs South Carolina in 1996.
I'm pretty sure John Becksvoort had an 0-3 game in 1994 .... but I don't remember who it was against. Maybe Florida?

Best place kicker we've ever had : Fuad Reveiz.
 
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#81
#81
SonOfGodVolforlife said:
The last two games he’s been off but he hit a clutch fg against bama. Also the two he missed against bama were 50 plus. And you skimmed over how he hadn’t missed a fg until bama. Hes a freshman kicker, y’all get caught up in thinking the back up is gonna be 10 x better then the starter.. the fact is ill trust the coaches to put the best players on the field instead of ppl bitching about freshman having bad games.
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You think an awful lot of yourself to call yourself the Son of God. We have a really bad kicker, no matter how much you trust the coaches.
 
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#83
#83
BowlBrother85 said:
We've had some bad kickers ...

Phil Reich missed 3 field goal attempts in the Peach Bowl vs Indiana in 1987.
Joey Chapman missed 3 field goal attempts vs Duke in 1988.
Jeff Hall was a great clutch kicker, but inconsistent overall .... He went 1-4 vs South Carolina in 1996.
I'm pretty sure John Becksvoort had an 0-3 game in 1994 .... but I don't remember who it was against. Maybe Florida?

Best place kicker we've ever had : Fuad Reveiz.
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it’s stilll to early to tell with Gilbert.
 
#86
#86
SonOfGodVolforlife said:
It’s all between the ears. I promise you the back up is not better or coach would have him out there. The back up isn’t always better smh
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When your kicker misses 3 field goals inside 40 yards there is a problem. In fact he missed at least around 50 yards and they all had the same patter. Hook from the right hash mark and push from the left hash mark. Kicks inside 40 yards by a SEC leading team is a problem which needs to be corrected if we are to win or tie foe this SEC Championship. Missed field goals are unexceptionable. Either he corrects his flaws or you find a kicker to replace him.
 
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#88
#88
Heuple needs to put him out on the field and have him kick from every angle, until he can make at least 3 in a row from each position. Then do again, again, again. How much daylight is there? Kicking from the time he hits the field, until the sun goes down.
 
#89
#89
VOLINVONORE said:
When your kicker misses 3 field goals inside 40 yards there is a problem. In fact he missed at least around 50 yards and they all had the same patter. Hook from the right hash mark and push from the left hash mark. Kicks inside 40 yards by a SEC leading team is a problem which needs to be corrected if we are to win or tie foe this SEC Championship. Missed field goals are unexceptionable. Either he corrects his flaws or you find a kicker to replace him.
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Yea it’s not good obviously, but I’m not writing a freshman kicker off. It’s still way too early to say how he’s going to turn out. But obviously if he keeps missing fgs you make a change.
 
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#91
#91
He placed his weekly $200 NIL on him to miss the Over on 2 1/2 missed field goals
#FanDuel #AD
 
#92
#92
I mean I’ll add this again. The guy routinely drills in practice from 55 yards plus. Guy is a freshman, he could have any number of things going on mentally. Imagine he’ll get a couple of attempts vs Miss state to shore things up.
 
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#93
#93
SonOfGodVolforlife said:
Yea it’s not good obviously, but I’m not writing a freshman kicker off. It’s still way too early to say how he’s going to turn out. But obviously if he keeps missing fgs you make a change.
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I do not consider replacing a person who is not performing at a satisfactory level is "writing them off. I think a player is having a problem, his/her lack of performance could result in losing a ball game at this stage of the season, I would seriously consider exploring another player who likely can do as well or better than the person who is having a serious problem. He has a problem which has resulted in a production success at less than 25% during his last 2 games. He has had at least two weeks to work out his set up problems and he is near, if not last in the SEC in his success rate from 43 yards or closer while there are kickers who have not missed a field goal this year. A couple of them have not missed yet from 50+ yards. We are likely to have two more games this year where not converting 40 yard field goals could be the margin of victory or defeat. We have recruited other kickers who have been successful in high school and I have a think if a current player is not preforming to standard, we should give another player a chance. I have not studied his kicking process and do not pretend to know what is causing his problems. Maybe if someone else is given a chance he will put more effort in solving his problem. I do not believe to reward someone for regressing in his/her performance is declining.
 
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#97
#97
He needs a low pressure kick early next week with the Vols already ahead and he’ll be fine. I can’t be too hard on him, there’s no way I could do that in front of so many people watching.
 
#98
#98
Budalicious said:
He hit one after those 2 misses
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He did. I was just pointing out to another poster that both of those misses were from 50+. Otherwise, up to that point, he’s been a solid kicker. He had a bad game. Bottom line, we still won. No reason to bench the kid for a walk on or anything.
 
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#99
#99
I think we limit the range of his attempts to 45 yards and in. Outside of that, either go for it or punt. If he's still erratic, you have to make a change. If he nails the easier ones, you slowly increase the range. Also get a kicking expert to watch film and practice to see if he can spot any new mechanical flaws.
 
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