Kid Learns Hard Way Committing Isn't A Two Way Street

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Here's a take on what kids who commit to a program really face. Of course most of us here know the Alabama way of recruiting, but Tennessee is in the core of the below story. In any case, shows how foolish fans are when a kid chooses to visit other schools after committing and being damned for it. They really do have to watch out for number one. They find out that the adage of "a man's only as good as his word" can mean the man might not be any good at all in terms of keeping a promise or agreement. So the point here is, try seeing recruitment from the recruits' point of view without being blindly biased. Although I think for many that is an absurd expectation because it's beyond their capacity.

Cleveland High School football player learns that verbal scholarship ‘offers’ aren’t always offers | CharlotteObserver.com
 
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There is a thread somewhere on here where a majority of the fans are in favor of dropping or not renewing schollies if a player can be over-recruited. I hope those posters don't post anything negative about this situation.

It's part of the deal on both sides. Been going on a long time.
 
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It's simple. We are looking for the best and Johnson doesn't fit that bill. Same story with Duke Shelley, I think.

No hard feelings.
 
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RocEtop10uhsee said:
Not a positive story. Oh well
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I disagree. Butch Jones could have kept him on the line and accepted his verbal while he continued to pursue more highly ranked targets and then ended up cutting him loose closer to signing day when it would have been tougher for him to find a home. He was honest and upfront about the situation. I actually think it highlights the character of CBJ and this staff.
 
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Sounds like Sterling Johnson is a cry baby with entitlement issues. Does he not realize kids commit and decommit to schools all the time? What is the difference when a school does this? Nothing is guaranteed until the scholarship papers are signed. Butch did him a favor. Taking his commitment, then telling him on NSD that he had no scholarship would have been 1,000x worse.

Get over it, kid.
 
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FBtime said:
I disagree. Butch Jones could have kept him on the line and accepted his verbal while he continued to pursue more highly ranked targets and then ended up cutting him loose closer to signing day when it would have been tougher for him to find a home. He was honest and upfront about the situation. I actually think it highlights the character of CBJ and this staff.
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That is true, but anyone who reads the article will more than likely feel sorry for the young man regardless of the recruiting business. On the contrary, articles usually never place fault on a player when they suddenly change verbal commitments and attend another school. I guess it;s just the way it is.
 
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It's very much a 2 way street. Just as a kid could verbally commit to a school and then choose another school in the end or at the last minute (think DaVonte Lambert), a school can offer a kid a scholly early on and then pull that offer or make it conditional, like Butch did here, if the school has what it believes to be better players it can recruit to the program.

Both the recruit, especially if he is highly recruited and has multiple offers, and the schools have choices and the ability to make decisions in their own best interest. Agree with Fade.....Butch did nothing wrong or untoward here.
 
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jkleno said:
That is true, but anyone who reads the article will more than likely feel sorry for the young man regardless of the recruiting business. On the contrary, articles usually never place fault on a player when they suddenly change verbal commitments and attend another school. I guess it;s just the way it is.
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Exactly....that's why it is indeed a 2-way street.
 
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Also, yes, it is a numbers issue. I'm not sure some of us realize how selective Butch is already being with this class. The only head scratcher is Jaylond Woods and even he may be struggling to hold onto a scholarship offer with his current grades - or so I've read.
 
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Volunteer_Kirby said:
Johnson's stock fell dramatically after his previous camp showings.
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Does anyone know if his offers from ALA, UF, FSU were written or verbal? I still can't see us dropping a kid that would have offers from those other schools based on recruiting offer him.
 
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jkleno said:
Does anyone know if his offers from ALA, UF, FSU were written or verbal? I still can't see us dropping a kid that would have offers from those other schools based on recruiting offer him.
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It does not matter. If you look back to Orlando Brown he had offers from everyone in the country but in May decided between like Arkansas and Tennessee because he did not have committable offers from all the schools on his list.

These kind of things happen quite often in the world of recruiting. Marquel Harrell may have been a similar story.
 
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FBtime said:
I disagree. Butch Jones could have kept him on the line and accepted his verbal while he continued to pursue more highly ranked targets and then ended up cutting him loose closer to signing day when it would have been tougher for him to find a home. He was honest and upfront about the situation. I actually think it highlights the character of CBJ and this staff.
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Well Butch probably got us some better players. You people get on here and bash Butch (even though he has only been here a year for not getting us back on top) well sometimes if you get better players then you have to let some go that are not as good. I am sure the people in Alabama have no problem with Saban doing this. Maybe we should of kept Dooley and he would of kept the players and we would still be under 500 record. In order for Butch to build this program back to get us on top he has to do things like this.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Here's a take on what kids who commit to a program really face. Of course most of us here know the Alabama way of recruiting, but Tennessee is in the core of the below story. In any case, shows how foolish fans are when a kid chooses to visit other schools after committing and being damned for it. They really do have to watch out for number one. They find out that the adage of "a man's only as good as his word" can mean the man might not be any good at all in terms of keeping a promise or agreement. So the point here is, try seeing recruitment from the recruits' point of view without being blindly biased. Although I think for many that is an absurd expectation because it's beyond their capacity.

Cleveland High School football player learns that verbal scholarship ‘offers’ aren’t always offers | CharlotteObserver.com
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The same people who complain about this practice are the same people who scream for the coach's head when he loses because he doesn't have the best players. You can't have it both ways. It's time to grow up people. The real world is full of competition and disappointment. The faster you figure that out the better off you'll be.
 
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rickyyrs said:
Well Butch probably got us some better players. You people get on here and bash Butch (even though he has only been here a year for not getting us back on top) well sometimes if you get better players then you have to let some go that are not as good. I am sure the people in Alabama have no problem with Saban doing this. Maybe we should of kept Dooley and he would of kept the players and we would still be under 500 record. In order for Butch to build this program back to get us on top he has to do things like this.
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Dude...read it again. He didn't bash Butch. He said Butch did the right thing. Good lord...
 
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I'm guessing the kid was anxious to commit because his stock was dropping, which is why he was so quick to call Clemson immediately after talking to UT. He's in panic mode.

I don't blame him, I just wish he wasn't trying to smear UT when they didn't do anything bad.
 
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Volunteer_Kirby said:
It does not matter. If you look back to Orlando Brown he had offers from everyone in the country but in May decided between like Arkansas and Tennessee because he did not have committable offers from all the schools on his list.

These kind of things happen quite often in the world of recruiting. Marquel Harrell may have been a similar story.
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Thanks for the insight.
 
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The article states that this is very common, but only 'newsworthy" when it happens at UT! :banghead2:

You will never read about Satan, Cryer, or the "Ol Ball Sack" doing this in a news article! :whistling:

The entire sport world hates UT! :the_finger:



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